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Post by Arwen17 on Aug 11, 2015 20:05:54 GMT
So I'm thinking about reading this book series eventually because I saw the TV show for it years ago and liked it. Unfortunately, the TV series only lasted one season before it was canceled so Queen Mab doesn't appear in it because I think she only appears later on in the book series. If you don't want to read the book series, there's a lovely wiki you can read to find out about the faery Queen Mab. Apparently, in order to become the Winter Knight, you have to have sex with Winter Queen Mab. heeeheeedresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Mabdresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Winter_Knight%27s_Mantledresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Faerie_Courtsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dresden_Files_(TV_series)Here's the tv show, which is pretty good, but doesn't have any faeries since it never made it past season 1. the book series: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dresden_FilesBest quotes from the books: I swallowed a mouthful of fear, my eyes on the poisonously lovely faerie standing on the other side of my desk.
It made Mab smile.
"Yes," she murmured. "Wise enough to be afraid. To understand, at least in part. How does it feel, to know what you know, child?"
My voice came out unsteady, and more quiet than I would have liked. "Sort of like Tokyo when Godzilla comes up on the beach."
Mab tilted her head, watching me with that same smile. Maybe she didn't get the reference. Or maybe she didn't like being compared to a thirty-story lizard. Or maybe she did like it. I mean, how should I know? I have enough trouble figuring out human women.After the lovely conversation above, Mab walks away to leave and Harry thinks to himself:Spenser never mentions that the Faerie Queen has a great ass.How Harry Dresden describes having sex with her when she is transferring the power of the Winter Knight to him:What we did wasn't sex, regardless of what it appeared to be. You can’t have sex with a thunderstorm, an earthquake, a furious winter gale. You can’t make love to a mountain, a lake of ice, a freezing wind.
For a few moments, I saw the breadth and depth of Mab’s power—and for a fleeting instant, the barest, tiniest glimpse of her purpose, as well, as our entwined bodies thrashed toward completion. I was screaming. I had been for a while.And there is HarryDresden/QueenMab fanfic out there too. dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/MantleA supernatural identity with a mantle may be thought of as like a governmental office. Only one person can hold the position at a time, but many people can hold it in succession, and each occupant of the office is delegated the same authority. When a person assumes a mantle of power, the mantle begins to alter its personality of its host. Harry Dresden's experience with the mantle of the Winter Knight began as emotions and urges that continously built in intensity.In the mantles of the Queens of Faerie, this effect is extreme: the personas in these mantles will completely overwrite the host's original identity. According to Bob the Skull, after wearing the mantle of the Summer Lady for about a decade, Lily will be virtually indistinguishable from her predecessor Aurora. The owner of the mantle is expendable, reduced to the status of an interchangable part.The idea of a Mantle is really cool. |
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Post by Arwen17 on Aug 14, 2015 18:18:57 GMT
Very much enjoying this Queen Mab / Harry Dresden fanfic and I haven't even read the canon books yet.  seems like the best one on the internet so far. archiveofourown.org/works/2279805/chapters/5010042I have some more fanfics saved on my tablet at home. I'll add those to this post later. |
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Post by himiko on Aug 14, 2015 18:48:50 GMT
Good times! I've been meaning to read this series for years- mostly because of Mab being a character in it, but also due to recommendations from friends. I've been putting it off because detective type stories aren't really my cup of tea and I know I have to read through a couple of books before I reach Mab stuff from what I've heard, but I feel like maybe I should start on this series...
BTW Arwen - just to give you a heads up, I edited the title of this thread just in case proboards does another sweep of the boards in future and the thread title set them off on one - I hope that's OK?
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Aug 16, 2015 16:38:45 GMT
Apparently, in order to become the Winter Knight, you have to have sex with Winter Queen Mab. Oh no! What a shock. appropriate gif Well that must be horrible. Poor thing, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, poor poor man, or girl (keeping an open mind). I do not see why they installed that rule... the suffering.... many must have declined this function because of that. *she is so gorgeous, I can't watch! Don't do this to me! Don't make me touch her breast noooooooooo* Wouldn't put my worst enemy through that. I am pretty certain Mabie makes the rules. the tv show, nice, I may check that out.  Best quotes from the books:Yaaaay, thank you. Main character is funny and I love the Godzilla sentence. Spenser never mentions that the Faerie Queen has a great ass.aaawe maybe this Spenser is like Merlin and does not notice her loveliness/the important things in life. + Some things you just have to see for yourself. You can’t have sex with a thunderstorm, an earthquake, a furious winter gale. You found it!  This is exactly what I heard mentioned. And there is HarryDresden/QueenMab fanfic out there too. this is getting better and better. Very much enjoying this Queen Mab / Harry Dresden fanficI am officially spoiled. :)Spoiled Queen Mab fangirl. Good fanfiction means much to me, as good paper and film stories do too. Do you also think of some fanfic stories as 'classics'?
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Post by Arwen17 on Aug 18, 2015 13:45:53 GMT
Good times! I've been meaning to read this series for years- mostly because of Mab being a character in it, but also due to recommendations from friends. I've been putting it off because detective type stories aren't really my cup of tea and I know I have to read through a couple of books before I reach Mab stuff from what I've heard, but I feel like maybe I should start on this series... BTW Arwen - just to give you a heads up, I edited the title of this thread just in case proboards does another sweep of the boards in future and the thread title set them off on one - I hope that's OK? yeah, I think that's a very good idea. I only put titles like that to get peoples' attention. XD I'm not usually a big fan of detective stories either, but sometimes in the right circumstances they aren't too bad. You could always skip straight to the books with Mab and just read the online wikis for everything else. Good fanfiction means much to me, as good paper and film stories do too. Do you also think of some fanfic stories as 'classics'? absolutely. Every fandom (and pairings within the fandom) has their "classics", the best-written fanfics of the same topic. I found some really awesome fan groups that do some Dresden Files stuff and they include Queen Mab as a character. Here's the facebook page. check out the photos of Winter Queen Mab and Harry Dresden! www.facebook.com/DresdenFilesFanFilming/photos_streammany, many images, but here's some examples: pic 1 pic 2Red Sun trailerSummoning Mother WinterSkin Game trailerWinter FaeriesFan filming casting (if you dont want to sit thru it all, Mab actor stuff at the very end and some awesome trailer pieces at the very, very end of the video) Jim Butcher, the author, reading Mab opening from the first few pages of 'Cold Days' |
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Aug 18, 2015 17:53:56 GMT
On the fanfic: I love how she lightning powerful and fast slaps him, like our dear Mab. "Jim Butcher, the author, reading Mab opening" She sure sounds like an adorable person. Back on that have to sleep with her law: I would fight to abolish such a rule, legalised rape. Of course I have to admit, ethical issues aside, I would be a bit jealous of that winter king person none the less. "You could always skip straight to the books with Mab and just read the online wikis for everything else." That is an excellent idea. The photo's are beautiful. |
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Post by Arwen17 on Aug 19, 2015 16:54:39 GMT
On the fanfic: I love how she lightning powerful and fast slaps him, like our dear Mab. "Jim Butcher, the author, reading Mab opening" She sure sounds like an adorable person. Back on that have to sleep with her law: I would fight to abolish such a rule, legalised rape. Of course I have to admit, ethical issues aside, I would be a bit jealous of that winter king person none the less. "You could always skip straight to the books with Mab and just read the online wikis for everything else." That is an excellent idea. The photo's are beautiful. Well as far as I can tell, she has to sleep with him in order to transfer the Winter Knight's mantle to him. I think the Winter Knight mantle is the lover of the Winter Queen mantle, so they have to act out that scenario at least once to bestow the mantle on the person she wants to give it to. I've read countless stories of faeries raping and/or impregnating mortals without consent. This is nothing new. It's how changelings are created. She is adorable. As far as trying to kill him all the time, she's trying to toughen him up for the trials ahead. She isn't doing it because she dislikes him or anything. I think she really likes him, but since she's the Queen of Winter, she's not very gentle about it. "I like you, but I have no use for weaklings. So if you happen to die, then it just proves you were weak." is the vibe I get from her. |
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Aug 20, 2015 8:12:08 GMT
"she has to sleep with him in order to transfer the Winter Knight's mantle to him." Oh, so it really is Poor Mab, having to sleep with those men. Now the Merry Gentry novels could do with such a plot.... *looks expectantly at Queen Andais* Do you have a mantle somewhere there? "This is nothing new." No, it's not. It is their way to do this/magically force. Faeries are used to having what they want. And much as I adore them, I can still disapprove of some of their actions. A quick mention of some other books, sorry if I have mentioned these before: The fairy queen in Ellen Kushner's 'Thomas the Rhymer' is truly excellent! One of my all time favourite books. Sheri S Tepper's 'Beauty' has a fascinating fairy court. For more nice fairy logic, Cecilia Dart Thornton's Bitterbynde trilogy is a beautiful poetic work as well. A Queen Mab being adorable, how perfect! aaawe It really sounds like quite the romance. From her part. How does he feel about the attention she bestows on him? " she's the Queen of Winter" Does this at times make her the Snow Queen- like? "I like you, but I have no use for weaklings. So if you happen to die, then it just proves you were weak." sound reasoning Is she by any chance looking for a consort? |
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Post by Arwen17 on Aug 20, 2015 15:58:51 GMT
Oh, so it really is Poor Mab, having to sleep with those men. She's a faery. Sex is her middle name. So I don't think she's bothered by it in the least. I think she usually chooses men she likes + are useful for the position. especially in harry's case. Now the Merry Gentry novels could do with such a plot.... *looks expectantly at Queen Andais* Do you have a mantle somewhere there?yes, need this right now. No, it's not. It is their way to do this/magically force. Faeries are used to having what they want. And much as I adore them, I can still disapprove of some of their actions.I would agree to it via some rules, such as: I get to remain in contact with the child as his mother even if he has to go train in the faery arts or whatever, I get immortality myself and immunity from being used or killed for stupid faery plots. But I don't think they'd bargain with me to begin with and even if they did, there would always be some loophole to exploit no matter how you worded your rules. So I would refuse or try to stay away from it, not because I want to, but because you simply can't trust faeries. They're only in it for their own interests and aren't shy about double-crossing you. An honest deal = never. Which makes me wonder why mortals are so stupid and desperate to make a "deal with the devil". It won't end well, but people insist anyway. And sadly it's a 100% accurate human behavior. How many people stay with abusive partners (or have sex right away) because they're desperate and think somehow it's going to work out? You have like a 1% chance of it working out and 99% failure rate. It aint happenin', but people are nuts when they're desperate. awesome I'll have to check those books out at some point. A Queen Mab being adorable, how perfect!
aaawe It really sounds like quite the romance. From her part. How does he feel about the attention she bestows on him?
" she's the Queen of Winter" Does this at times make her the Snow Queen- like? She's got white hair and makes it snow or freezes people solid if she loses her temper. He seems attracted to her because she is a drop-dead gorgeous faery queen, but I don't know how much he "likes" her since she's not warm and kind. She's tried to kill him a lot during training. That doesn't foster feelings of affection from a human perspective lol. I'm still reading the books so I don't want to say too much and more books are still being written. Harry and Mab's relationship will continue to evolve. She has to use someone else as her "voice" when she's in a foul mood because if she speaks directly and she's angry, she can make a person's nose and ears bleed. Although she can be really ruthless, she seems to favor Harry having moments where she displays softer emotions only to him and letting him get away with more crap than she's let previous Knights get away with. She offered him the Knight job several times before he finally took it. I think she just got more determined and excited each time he managed to deny her. And now that he's the knight, he's loyal and creative and ruthless too, but a total pita in defying her. Which I think she grudgingly respects and/or finds very attractive but irritating. He carries out her orders, but he insists on doing it "his way" instead of her way. She loves that he's effective, but is frustrated he's not 100% malleable to her will. LOL Want a way to make a faery queen want to murder and sleep with you at the same time? Just find a way to be loyal and defiant to her face all at once.
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Aug 27, 2015 10:53:20 GMT
"I think she usually chooses men she likes + are useful for the position. especially in harry's case." Yaaay! well done Mab! "yes, need this right now." Don't we all. "An honest deal = never." I once tried to write a fairy deal. However my main character being a sensible girl just kept making it longer and longer so there could be no way for the fairy to misinterpret it. She didn't want to be one of those 'stupid people' who make a deal and end up worse for it. At the end I had pages and pages on this one wish, my main character still didn't seem happy with it and I decided to give up on it. Fairy deal just wasn't going to work. "It won't end well, but people insist anyway. And sadly it's a 100% accurate human behavior. ... people are nuts when they're desperate. " I agree. Oh I forgot to thank you for recommending the Melissa Marr fairy books! I have gotten my paws on Ink Exchange and Darkest Mercy. Freezing people always takes me back to fond fictional memories. I can't help but like the ice queenie characters. While trying to kill a person a lot can't be beneficial to the relationship, I still believe he should be able to see past her cold and cruel exterior-interior to the place that is called her genuine affection for him. Enjoy those books and tell us anything you'd like to share. "if she speaks directly and she's angry, she can make a person's nose and ears bleed." I should not find this funny. Frik would walk around with a handkerchief pressed to his nose at all time. "Although she can be really ruthless," That is necessary for her job. " she seems to favor Harry having moments where she displays softer emotions only to him and letting him get away with more crap than she's let previous Knights get away with." YAYAYAYAYAYAYAA A rare and beautiful thing. I wish Merlin had accepted the job, in the end. After defying her over and over again. Would he have been a strong and creative one? A loyal one? "a total pita" that is funny "Want a way to make a faery queen want to murder and sleep with you at the same time? Just find a way to be loyal and defiant to her face all at once." So basically let's pretend he is doing this on purpose? |
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Post by himiko on Aug 30, 2015 13:32:34 GMT
I wish Merlin had accepted the job, in the end. After defying her over and over again. Would he have been a strong and creative one? A loyal one? I think we'd all have liked to see Merlin come around to Mab in the end. As for how he would have been as a champion... well, he's part Mab, after all, and he can be pretty stubborn/ driven. I think if he genuinely believed that helping Mab was the right thing to do, he would have been quite effective at it- I mean, him and Mab in opposition raised up and destroyed kings, imagine what they could do working together? Whether he would be loyal to Mab personally, I think would depend on whether he was able to forgive what she had done to him in the past. Possible, but it might take a while. This thread is making me think I really need to read these books XD I shall see if I can get hold of some of them and add them to my "To read" list XD |
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Post by Arwen17 on Aug 31, 2015 14:13:20 GMT
I wish Merlin had accepted the job, in the end. After defying her over and over again. Would he have been a strong and creative one? A loyal one? I think we'd all have liked to see Merlin come around to Mab in the end. As for how he would have been as a champion... well, he's part Mab, after all, and he can be pretty stubborn/ driven. I think if he genuinely believed that helping Mab was the right thing to do, he would have been quite effective at it- I mean, him and Mab in opposition raised up and destroyed kings, imagine what they could do working together? Whether he would be loyal to Mab personally, I think would depend on whether he was able to forgive what she had done to him in the past. Possible, but it might take a while. This thread is making me think I really need to read these books XD I shall see if I can get hold of some of them and add them to my "To read" list XD yeah or just showed more of his time in faeryland or showed some damn fae attributes. Other than his magic, he looks human, acts human, etc. There's never any indication, other than stubbornness, of fae-like traits. I think helping Uther seduce Igraine was about the only thing "bad" he's ever done and he immediately felt super guilty about it. I love stories where they struggle to choose a side and will always have certain habits/traits/instincts of the other side they don't choose to belong to. Inuyasha was wonderful. He was caught between two worlds and was probably more youkai than human in personality and abilities. But whereas Kikyo wanted to change him and make him all-human before being with him, Kagome loved him just the way he was and liked that he was half-and-half. Although Kagome was human and therefore more attracted to his human side, she didn't believe he needed to toss out the other side of his heritage in order to be with her. One reason that Inuyasha seemed to be more youkai-like than human was because his youkai blood was so pure because the youkai side of his family is basically like royalty. (He was raised by his human mother and never met his youkai father, and yet he's very much like his father's side of the family too.) Other half-youkai were much weaker and more human. With Merlin descending from Queen Mab herself, you'd think he'd have some very strong, pure fae-blood. But he acts like a human who simply had a "seed" of magic planted within him, not like someone with magical royal fae in their blood. I bought all 15 dresden books in NEW condition in bulk for cheap on ebay. You should be able to get them very cheap in bulk if you buy them USED instead of NEW. And you can always buy the ebooks instead. |
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Post by himiko on Aug 31, 2015 18:19:52 GMT
I think with Merlin not acting very "fae - like", it's partly due to nurture related factors- after all, he is brought up by Ambrosia, of the "I follow my own heart, that's religion enough for me" and "Magic has no power over the human heart" comments. His formative years are all spent amongst humanity. If we look at Mordred, whose upbringing Mab takes much more of an active part in, and who has Frik around as well, even though the fae part of his blood is presumably weaker (he has two mortal parents, he has superhuman attributes given to him by Mab, but no actual powers of his own, etc.), he is much more fae-like in some ways than Merlin- he is quite manipulative, he enjoys sowing seeds of dissent, he's deeply amoral (though not entirely like Mab in that sense - Mordred seems to delight a lot more in deliberate acts of cruelty than Mab does). So one could argue the importance of nurture in this case. I would say that Merlin and Mab do have more similarities than just stubbornness, though, Merlin just doesn't like to admit it. Merlin sets himself up in opposition to Mab, in part because he believes it's the right thing to do, but also because of his own personal grudge. In putting Uther on the throne and ensuring Arthur's conception, we see him manipulating the country in ways that closely mirror Mab's own plans (Mordred's conception, plotting with Vortigern to defeat Uther), except whilst Mab's plans are to prevent the influence of Christianity and bring back the Old Ways, Merlin's are to prevent Mab's influence and destroy her. Whilst the human cost of his endeavours matters a lot more to Merlin than Mab's do to her, he doesn't always heed them- he sets Uther on the throne chiefly because Vortigern is Mab's ally, and Uther turns out to be a disaster as king. He basically helps Uther rape Igraine (in some versions of the legend that I've seen/ read, Igraine has feelings for Uther, and is complicit in the whole pretense, but in this version she genuinely seems ignorant of "her husband's" true identity), even though he feels bad about it because "the end justifies the means", which, as Rupert points out, are Mab's words. Thanks for the heads up, I may have a look out for a set - I've spent my weekend assembling a new bookcase and realphabetising my whole book collection (don't judge me...) so I now actually have room for more books! |
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 13, 2015 5:51:12 GMT
See for me, Mordred acted the way he did not because of any fae-influence, but simply because Mab spoiled him rotten so he would be loyal to her. She was grooming him to be a merciless weapon against Arthur, not to be fae-like or human-like or anything in particular. I also think he was possibly a psychopath because he's inbred. That's a common problem that often appears in Mordred stories because he's always inbred. But there's no way to know for sure if it was all of Mab's spoiling/training or if he did have a small brain chemical imbalance. He definitely had some fae mojo pumped into his system to make him grow up faster, but I don't see that as turning him fae in any way. I just see that as a human on ultra-steroid-usage lol. I wish you knew what Gundam Seed was. In Gundam Seed, they have 3 types of people: Naturals (humans), Coordinators (humans who are genetically-enhanced while still an embryo in the womb), and Extendeds (humans who are genetically-enhanced much much later after they are born using drugs and chemicals). Extendeds are very, very unstable because what's been done to them is so unnatural because it wasn't coded into their genes from the very beginning like the Coordinators, and some do age faster as well. In my headcanon, Merlin = coordinator and Mordred = Extended. You're right about Merlin. The movie is so Merlin-centric and he's so remorseful for his actions, it's just really hard to see the Mab in him. But I'm still annoyed that he didn't have more obvious fae traits that weren't squashed by the human upbringing. Nuture has completely conquered nature in Merlin's case. ------------------------ You inspired me to get my act together and clean up my own book collection that's been stacked in different random places throughout the apartment. I bought some cheap taller bookcases and finally have all of my books in one place for now. i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/Arwen17evenstar/new02.jpgAnd here's my small manga collection. I LOVE anime, but in general I don't read much manga. I prefer non-picture-books when I'm reading. Pictures are for TV. Words are for books. That make sense? i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/Arwen17evenstar/new03.jpgSee my super-long anime list vs my very short manga list: myanimelist.net/animelist/Arwen17myanimelist.net/mangalist/Arwen17Here's a fun game! I bought some trinkets when I was at the Calgary Expo in Canada in April. Can you identify each one? Which character owned it? i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/Arwen17evenstar/IMG_7122.jpgI took a bunch of pictures since I went on a massive dust-cleaning mission and dusted everything. Pictures let me enjoy how beautiful it looks before the dust comes back. dresser is dusted and looking great. It was covered in about 5 feet of dust. i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/Arwen17evenstar/IMG_7067.jpgevery single figure dusted and reorganized i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/Arwen17evenstar/IMG_7070.jpg |
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Sept 17, 2015 7:17:30 GMT
wow Arwen your bookcases, books, manga, figurines are amazing!
I love the Gundam Seed comparison. How perfect. Nope, I haven't seen Gundam. My brother has and I can ask him/he will tell me anyway anything about it.
On Merlin not acting very fae like, I completely agree. Thinking back on the Merlin comics. There his nature, who he was inside, was far more similar to Mab. This is what seduced him to her in the first place and what he had to conquer in the end. It would have been nice to see this in our Merlin as well, but I am not going to mess with the brilliance of our favourite mini series. Okay, Merlin you can stay as you are. Even if you look and act anothing like your mom. The subtlety of your similarities in the series is much more interesting. *Merlin sips his tea* I do enjoy a good day of manipulation against my scheming mother.
Arwen, do you remember the Ink Exchange novel? I really enjoyed this one. Especially the fact that this King Irial of the Dark Court was fighting to save his people from fading away. Yes I nicknamed him King Mab. I love how he would do anything for the sake of his people and that it was acknowledged in the book+ by several characters that he was not EVIL.
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This is exactly what I heard mentioned. 