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Post by Lane of Magic on Mar 27, 2008 8:23:17 GMT
OK, I can’t believe I’m getting myself in yet another “was it or wasn’t it?” debate, but, sorry, I don’t think it was. It was deceit, if you will, because Igraine thought that it was her husband (and yes, this was, as usual, Merlin’s fault, although his intentions were good on the long run, it must be said), and it probably would have turned into rape, had she realised in good time that it wasn’t. Still, it didn’t happen, so the whole thing was consensual. Creepy, yes, but also consensual. That would infirm the very definition of the word “rape,” so it wasn’t the case.
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Post by himiko on Mar 27, 2008 23:56:40 GMT
It's an interesting discussion, and I agree with both of you to a certain extent- in the strictest sense, he didn't physically force, threaten or blackmail her into having sex with him, so you could argue that it wasn't rape, but at the same time, there's no arguing the fact that her consent was based on the idea that it was her husband, that she didn't consent to have sex with Uther, so in that sense, it was rape.
*has even managed to confuse self this time*
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Post by Lane of Magic on Mar 28, 2008 0:09:10 GMT
LOL, well, confusing yourself doesn't happen very often, that's true *snicker*
But as you said, it was all based on a lie - she believed him to be her husband - so it still wouldn't really qualify as rape... I think. *is somewhat confused herself, probably because of the somewhat late hour*
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Post by himiko on Mar 28, 2008 0:18:04 GMT
I guess it depends on your definition. If you count consensual sex as any sex that hasn't been actively against someone's will, then no, it wasn't rape. If you count consensual sex as ONLY sex with someone you are specifically consenting to, then yeah, I guess it would be rape, because she was consenting to have sex with her husband, not Uther.
And I'm still confusing myself.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Mar 28, 2008 0:24:36 GMT
Actually, you made a lot more sense this time, if I may say so myself. *applauds*
But she still didn't know it wasn't Gorlois, but Uther... o__O So it was anything but rape at the time, at least as far as Igraine was concerned (of course, she might have seen things differently the next day, but not that night, so...)
Er, OK, I'm too confused to make sense myself...
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Post by himiko on Mar 28, 2008 1:15:17 GMT
I understand what you're saying, don't worry. I agree, Igraine wouldn't have seen it as rape or whatever at the time, she seemed happy enough to sleep with her husband.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Mar 28, 2008 1:17:54 GMT
LOL, I see you can understand me whether I'm drunk or tired *snicker*
Well, that's exactly what I meant - so would it still qualify as rape in these circumstances?
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Post by himiko on Mar 28, 2008 22:40:01 GMT
I'm not sure, TBH. Like I said, I can understand both arguments. I guess it's sort of a grey area for me.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 2, 2008 2:47:34 GMT
Ohwell, one thing's for sure anyway - that Uther's rather creepy/repulsive, no matter what. *points to current poll results*
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Post by himiko on Apr 2, 2008 23:53:44 GMT
LOL, that he is indeed. Ooooh, who voted for Vortigern? Come on, people, comment when you vote!
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Post by hilloneko on Apr 3, 2008 6:29:23 GMT
I agree we must know!! Please post, If you do there will be a gift in it for you.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 7, 2008 5:15:45 GMT
Good question! Well, for whoever voted for (or, should I say "against"? ) V., I don't know what Hillo's gift consists of, but I can say I'll behave. *g* That means, no throttling/shooting/stabbing on my part. And a comment as to why this choice would be highly appreciated. *is quite curious*
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Post by Accolon on Apr 11, 2008 22:49:00 GMT
I despise Puddles. I'm not sure which is worse, that she was ditz and just screwed everything up by accident, or that she intentionally betrayed her sister and was willing to sacrifice herself to do it.
I don't mind Uther much because a) he didn't really take any active, competent steps against Mab (he was a total pawn of Merlin and Puddles, and eventually became a pawn of Mab) b) his creepy actions were at least partly induced by Mab. I mean, can you really blame a guy for surrendering to Mab's enchantments?
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Post by himiko on Apr 12, 2008 0:59:22 GMT
I despise Puddles. I'm not sure which is worse, that she was ditz and just screwed everything up by accident, or that she intentionally betrayed her sister and was willing to sacrifice herself to do it. I don't mind Uther much because a) he didn't really take any active, competent steps against Mab (he was a total pawn of Merlin and Puddles, and eventually became a pawn of Mab) b) his creepy actions were at least partly induced by Mab. I mean, can you really blame a guy for surrendering to Mab's enchantments? Yeah, as an enemy of Mab, he wasn't really that effective, LOL. I can see what you mean, and Puddles is certainly a worthy target of dislike.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 12, 2008 4:18:33 GMT
That's the thing about the Lady - I doubt anyone could be that stupid and manage to let so many things "slip out." And having her consciously fighting against her sister doesn't make much sense either, since Mab was basically struggling to save her life as well (unless she's either suicidal or bi-polar, that might account for some of her actions). Still, she does look great and has a wonderful voice, and she's played by Miranda, which makes it impossible for me to genuinely detest her. I just wish there was a clear reason for her behaviour.
Uther might not have been as great an enemy in the end, but he did have potential. And I think there just is something about him that makes him really repulsive, hence all the votes going his way.
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