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Post by Mabforever on May 18, 2009 14:34:20 GMT
Mab, Frik, Morgan and Mordred ! I can't have been the only one who thought they made a really cute family can I? They all very dis functionally fitted together and it's not like any of them had a good family before then. We are not taking into account the facts that : Mab killed Morgan, Mordred thought this was funny, Mordred had an intense dislike of Frik and that Frik betrayed Mab. "Why not? That all did happen." "Because I bloody well said so." Frik was very loyal to Mab up until a recent "slipping" incident. He was head over heels for Morgan and had Mordred not well just altogether not liked him I'm sure Frik would have loved him like a son. I can't really say that I blame Mordred for not going with Morgan when Mab was taking him. Morgan's probably first love was Frik so when Mab and Frik came I noticed she seemed to pay more attention to Frik but Mab was there to fill that gap. Mordred grew up fast physically but not as fast mentally so I think he was jealous of Frik then he decided "Fine he can have her I have my auntie Mab." For some reason I think Mab did like seeing Frik happy with Morgan (just a lil bit) plus I think she also liked having a bit of a family. If not wouldn't she have just killed Morgan after Mordred was born? As for Morgan and Mab I think at the start she sort of looked up to Mab. She was everything Morgan wanted to be and Mab did understand this so she used it to her advantage. Telling Frik to give Morgan her looks etc. My other thought's: Mab should have just let Morgan go with them. That way even if Mordred had still died Frik and Morgan would have still been there to believe in Mab. Or Morgan should have accepted them leaving. Frik could have probably taken Morgan to see Mordred whenever she wanted anyway. Well that's my thoughts. *cue rampage of disagreeing posts lol* And if your wondering "Why did she post in the Mordred section and not one of the other ones?" Answer would be. "Because I felt like posting in the Mordred section" ;D I wish I could have been in this family. And hopefully it will give you FF ideas. *hint* *hint*
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Post by fishinthesea on May 19, 2009 14:25:05 GMT
That was an exellent observation! They were the perfect disfunctional family, and they knew that, so that's probably why they made it work out (well, until the "slipping thing"). Morgan knew that her beauty was an illusion, but couldn't care less about it. Frik was head over heels for Morgan, and Mab...well, she filled in the blanks. They sort of built their own family structures aware of the fact that they all were pretty messed up, but they didn't give a damn, that's probably why it worked out. I find it very hard to write Morgan, because with her one's gotta be careful. She is sort of shallow, superficial and kind of fatuitous, but one mustn't underestimate her, because there is more to her than meets the eye (literally). And Frik annoys me. A lot. But I am trying to consider Mordred more in my fics, and I am pretty sure the outcome is gonna be unsettling.
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Post by Mabforever on May 19, 2009 19:47:12 GMT
Thank you. They all did have that very twisted bond but it worked so well.
Morgan is a tricky one she does have that same side of selfishness Mordred shows but she also has thatof understanding I think it's most shown in her convo with Merlin. Awww no way. Cute lil Fwicky?
Oh, oh Mordred? Fic ? YAY ! ;D
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Post by Lane of Magic on May 20, 2009 0:27:03 GMT
First of all, awesome thread of discussion! I’ll just try to reply to all your points. *peers and types* Now, if people living together in the same house can count as a family, I guess they would make one. The slipping might as well have been an accident – Mab did warn Mordred that the steps were slippery, she never admitted to have made Morgan slip, and the story was told from Merlin’s perspective, who wasn’t even there when it happened. So, all in all, I believe it could have happened either way. Mordred did hate Frik, and I believe it is because, as you pointed out, Morgan stopped paying any attention to him the moment Frik came to visit. I don’t think Mab cared either way about Frik/Morgan/the idea of a family. The only reason why she kept Morgan for so long is because she learned from her mistake with Merlin: she let his mother die (she probably could not have saved her anyway - she died because of the birth - although Mab was too proud to admit that something was beyond her power), and he turned against her. So now, she tried her best to supress all humanity in Mordred, and also kept Morgan around. Maybe Morgan respected her for her power, but I believe she was too proud/haughty to admit it, perhaps even to herself. If anything, she would have shown envy or just coldness towards Mab (they hardly ever interact, so it’s hard to say). At the end, Mab was in a hurry, she truly could not care less what Morgan did. And I’m sure she would not have objected to Frik remaining with her at Tintagel (if you’ve noticed, there are only two horses there to begin with), had they not got into that argument. And YAY for posting in this section – after how the other thread here got completely off-topic not many posts ago, it’s only fair to have a thread that actually is on topic. Also, YAY to the prospect of fics!
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Post by Mabforever on May 20, 2009 22:34:17 GMT
Thank you. ;D I don't think I would have started this thread if they hadn't stayed in the same house. I might have thought of them as a family a bit but because they lived together it made them more 'together'. I was going by the movie for the 'slipping' thing but like you said the movie was based on Merlin's account of things. And he wasn't even there, I guess you just have to decide for yourself on that one. It's really find it difficult to work out Morgan and Mab this like you say is due to lack of communication. Despite them living together they don't really have alot of scenes. I could work out Morgan and Frick, Morgan and Mordred and at a push Morgan and Merlin. The main interaction was that slipping scene. Even when they were all at the table when Mordred was shooting stuff with his arrows Morgan said something to Mordred about Mab but I don't think they actually spoke to each other. Yeah I got that impression she just didn't have the time to waste on her. As for Frick going I'm not sure there were only two horses but there could be a number of reasons for this. It could be because the intention was for Frick to walk or use his fast walkiness to get there. Or maybe the people who made the film thought: "Well he isn't going so he doesn't need a horse for this scene." I dunno I'm just guessing so it could be like you say. I decided it could do with a thread to spruce it up ;D YaY prospects.
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Post by Libitine on Jun 28, 2009 19:01:01 GMT
First of all, awesome thread of discussion! I’ll just try to reply to all your points. *peers and types* Now, if people living together in the same house can count as a family, I guess they would make one. The slipping might as well have been an accident – Mab did warn Mordred that the steps were slippery, she never admitted to have made Morgan slip, and the story was told from Merlin’s perspective, who wasn’t even there when it happened. So, all in all, I believe it could have happened either way. Mordred did hate Frik, and I believe it is because, as you pointed out, Morgan stopped paying any attention to him the moment Frik came to visit. I don’t think Mab cared either way about Frik/Morgan/the idea of a family. The only reason why she kept Morgan for so long is because she learned from her mistake with Merlin: she let his mother die (she probably could not have saved her anyway - she died because of the birth - although Mab was too proud to admit that something was beyond her power), and he turned against her. So now, she tried her best to supress all humanity in Mordred, and also kept Morgan around. Maybe Morgan respected her for her power, but I believe she was too proud/haughty to admit it, perhaps even to herself. If anything, she would have shown envy or just coldness towards Mab (they hardly ever interact, so it’s hard to say). At the end, Mab was in a hurry, she truly could not care less what Morgan did. And I’m sure she would not have objected to Frik remaining with her at Tintagel (if you’ve noticed, there are only two horses there to begin with), had they not got into that argument. And YAY for posting in this section – after how the other thread here got completely off-topic not many posts ago, it’s only fair to have a thread that actually is on topic. Also, YAY to the prospect of fics! Ah. The Slipping. Almost typed and scrutinized like Henry VIII's Great Matter. Accident or otherwise? Well. First glance: totally purposeful. Totally. But if you look a bit deeper, one could argue that it was complete accident. Those goddamn steps were slippery. In the end, I think that (not only is it an overblown subject) but I think it is fair to say that Mab caused Morgan to slip. I don't think Mab wanted Morgan hanging around and causing trouble. Frankly, she had work to do. As far as Frik/Morgan goes- I don't think Mab cared at all what they did. And, I don't think she thought of their little baddy camp as a family. I look at it as Mab having her own little circus and a group of people she can be in control of. OF COURSE the entire purpose of Frik/Morgan is symbolism, but you all know that I expect. Now I want to touch on the whole "Morgan was only kept around because of the Merlin's dead mother/Ambrosia" comment. Now. I think that one cannot put all of one's eggs in one basket. Meaning, I don't think such assumptions are safe to make. Firstly, you are dealing with a completely different cast of characters AND Mordred's purpose was to be very different from Merlin's, so the training/raising would be different. PLUS Mordred was created different than Merlin so, circumstantially, it is difficult to compare the treatment of Elisa (Merlin's mother) to the treatment of Morgan. That being said, I do not think Mab had any thought as to why Morgan was kept around. Perhaps it was for the keeping and taking care of Mordred (because I totally cannot see Mab changing nappies, though I imagine that'd be Frik's chore) or perhaps Mab knew that Morgan would, in the long run, be insignificant to her plans so the energy (magical or otherwise) expelled to kill her would be a waste. In any case. This is a long rant and I'm sick of typing and yeah. I think I gave you all enough to go on. EDIT: "The Family" totally makes it sound like they are gansters/mobsters. Like Mab is "The Godmother". Haha. Just saying.
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Post by Mabforever on Jul 1, 2009 0:12:59 GMT
lol at baddy camp.
Yeah the story was told from one point of view and Merlin wasn't even there at the time. I guess you can't confirm either way.
And that was supposed to be the idea with the family. ;D Well it actually was kinda meant in a split way.
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Post by Libitine on Jul 2, 2009 22:27:31 GMT
Ah I see.
Well, regardless, the name makes me chuckle.
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Post by fishinthesea on Aug 11, 2009 13:22:53 GMT
ROFL! Mab as "The Godmother", that is just too good! Like a mix of Don Vito, Ma Barker, Bonnie Parker (Bonnie and Clyde) and Monica Belucci (because she is italian and has black hair!)
Seriously, someone should write a fic about that lol!
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Post by Mabforever on Aug 13, 2009 16:46:18 GMT
FIC!!! Oh bugger it my computer broke (yes again along with my phone this time) I haven't updated my fic !! Thanx for remembering me !
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Post by Morgan le Fay on May 31, 2018 4:37:11 GMT
If the story we saw in the film is the same as the one Merlin tells the crowd why is Mab included at all? Wouldn't that go against Merlin's plan to have Mab completely forgotten?
"MAB, MORGAN LE FEY and FRIK watch him indulgently from comfortable chairs, whilst the family pet, a HAIRLESS CAT lies on the rug in front of the fire with a GRIFFIN in a dog's collar, who is snoozing contentedly." - Merlin: The Shooting Script, p. 148
Note worthy because the word 'family' is used to describe the four, as Mordred is the one being watched indulgently.
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