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Post by tosca on May 20, 2007 22:23:48 GMT
Well, the threads for a lot of non-Mab-centric charries are rather thin on the ground, so I'll have a go at starting a new topic. ^^
When Mab bestows Igraine with the fairy glamour that makes Uther fall in love with her, it quickly fades after the couple have spent the night together and Arthur has been conceived. Why do you think this was not the case with Lancelot and Guinevere? Mab appears to do the same thing in enchanting Lancelot, and after Elaine dies, the damage has been done, yet Lancelot still comes back to save her.
I guess any enchantment that was cast was more of a catalyst than a cause of their romance, but still, it's a desperate attempt to give a new charrie a thread. ^^ *pats Lancelot in a rather patronizing fashion*
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Post by Merlins~Rose on May 20, 2007 22:32:19 GMT
Maybe by Mab's enchantment, they came to love each other. Then when the spell wore off, they still loved each other so he went back for her.
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Post by tosca on May 20, 2007 22:34:35 GMT
Hm, but why would Mab's enchantment involve love? Guinevere fell for Lancelot because he was handsome, as indicated by Mab whispering in her ear... at what point did that change, whereas the relationship between Uther and Igraine did not?
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Post by Merlins~Rose on May 20, 2007 22:39:28 GMT
Not that the enchantment involved love. They fell in love on their own. When Lancelot became enchanted, they got to know each other ... adultery and all that, but in the process they fell in love on their own.
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Post by tosca on May 20, 2007 22:42:01 GMT
Yes, so the enchantment was more of a catalyst.
I guess it was necessary for the initial part. *stares at Lancelot's squinty eyes in distaste*
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Post by himiko on May 21, 2007 13:52:37 GMT
Before reading the books, I always assumed from the way that Guinevere looked at Lancelot, she already thought he was attractive, and Mab's words were simply meant to "egg her on", if you like, or make her admit it to herself- in other words, that Mab was manipulating events but not directly altering them by making them attracted to each other.
In the books, it does show Mab thinking that Guinevere could be led astray by fairy arts just before she whispered into her ear, but it never specified what precisely these fairy arts were- she also thinks this AFTER Guinevere sees Lancelot and thinks how handsome he is, and how she felt herself reaching out to them. Also, Merlin is very specific that magic cannot create love, when Uther asks him to make Igraine love him, so the fact that they also fall in love seems to suggest that Mab took a much less direct part in their affair than she did with Uther and Igraine- there it states that she placed a glamour on Igraine. I'd say Lancelot and Guinevere would have fallen for each other anyway, whether or not they would have admitted it to each other, and all the events that followed, is a different matter.
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Post by tosca on May 21, 2007 14:35:02 GMT
LOL, get you and your 'just swallowed the trilogy' analysis! *glomps*
And yes, I think egging her on is a good way of putting it.
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Post by himiko on May 21, 2007 16:37:33 GMT
Swallowed the trilogy? Of course not- if I had swallowed it, then I couldn't sit there looking up the relevant passages as I type out the reply.
...Truly, I have no life...
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Post by Incapability on May 21, 2007 20:17:19 GMT
Ah, who would want a life anyway? What do people do with those?
And, well, maybe this glamour was used to create "attention", or some sort of fascnination between the two of them. Maybe it's a bit like with that fairy dust from Tinkerbell in Peter Pan.
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Post by tosca on May 21, 2007 20:28:45 GMT
Ah, your trick has been discovered! And are you suggesting that a life dedicated to being a Merlin-nerd is a waste?  Hmm.... *tries frantically to anything vaguely connected to Peter Pan* |
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Post by himiko on May 21, 2007 20:33:55 GMT
Not at all- Merlin geekery is a way of life, nothing less. And a damn good one at that.
Ah, well, the sad thing is, whilst for this instance I had to look up the relevant passages to check, on occasion I have found myself able to remember and type out whole paragraphs from the trilogy from memory.
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Post by tosca on May 21, 2007 20:52:32 GMT
Amen to that!
Ah, now you're only saying that because you know that, while normal people would snigger and call you a complete nerd, we're far more likely to go 'Meh, no fair!' and race towards our own stack of Merlin books to swot up.
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Post by Incapability on May 22, 2007 6:26:11 GMT
Pretty likely, yeah.
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Post by himiko on May 22, 2007 17:30:07 GMT
Normal people may snigger, I simply rise above it, and put a coincidental well under it later.
But yes, I am simply practising my analytical skills in preparation for exams... honest! *looks about shiftily*
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Post by tosca on May 22, 2007 18:53:37 GMT
Hmm... somehow I don't think quoting passages of Merlin will help much in the middle of a history exam, let alone Maths.
'x is clearly impossible to find, and this is all due to Merlin the wizard, who... *insert lengthy rant here*'
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