Post by maellowyn on Jan 30, 2014 20:21:39 GMT
Has anybody already mentioned, that Vortigern is the only character from Merlin, who is attested to have really existed in history?
So why the fuck had the dumb writer of the books made him a Saxon character? I can't stand it - I mean c'mon there is so much we don't know about the Arthurian legends, why not make those things right, who are at least basically proven...
Gildas wrote in the 6th century:
"Then all the councillors, togehter with that proud tyrant Gurthrigern[Vortigern], the british king, were so blinded, that as a protection to their country, they sealed its doom by inviting in among them (like wolves into the sheep-fold), the fierce and impious Saxons, a race hateful both to God and Men, to repel the invasions of the northern nations."
And Nennius states in the 8th century:
"Vortigern then reigned in Britain. In this time the natives had cause of dread, not only from the inroads of the Scots and Picts, but also from the Romans and their apprehensions of Ambrosius."
- regarding the Saxons he says:
"Vortigern received them as friends, and delivered up to them the island which is in their language called Thanet, and by Britons Ruym. The Saxons were received by Vortigern, four hundred and fourty seven years after the passion of Christ."
Sure these sources are not from Vortigerns time, but they would have mentioned, if he were from Saxon descendant.
Nennius instead does write about Vortigerns children (a son called Vortimer), his affilitaions with the daughter of the Saxon King Hengest and even of Merlin(Ambrose/Embresguletic) who advises him in the matter of building his castle .. and he writes of his death, caused by Saxons.
Last but not least the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles documents for the year 455:
"Her Hengest and Horsa futhon wiþ Wyrtgeorne þæm cynninge in þære stowe þe is gecweden Ægelesford; and his broþor, Horsan, man ofslog. And æfter þæm Hengest feng to rice, (and Æsc his sunu)."
"This year Hengest and Horsa fought with Wurtgern the king on the spot that is called Aylesford. His brother Horsa being there slain, Hengest afterwards took to the kingdom with his son Esc."
What benefit do we have from that little lesson of history?
Well first Vortigern was real, and he was a king, a warrior and someone who tried to keep his position at all costs.
A role that was depicted absolutely fine by Rutger Hauer...
Well and for that accursed books - throw them in the nearest trash-can and write your fictions of Mab and Vortigern, with the background knowledge just provided. xD
So why the fuck had the dumb writer of the books made him a Saxon character? I can't stand it - I mean c'mon there is so much we don't know about the Arthurian legends, why not make those things right, who are at least basically proven...
Gildas wrote in the 6th century:
"Then all the councillors, togehter with that proud tyrant Gurthrigern[Vortigern], the british king, were so blinded, that as a protection to their country, they sealed its doom by inviting in among them (like wolves into the sheep-fold), the fierce and impious Saxons, a race hateful both to God and Men, to repel the invasions of the northern nations."
And Nennius states in the 8th century:
"Vortigern then reigned in Britain. In this time the natives had cause of dread, not only from the inroads of the Scots and Picts, but also from the Romans and their apprehensions of Ambrosius."
- regarding the Saxons he says:
"Vortigern received them as friends, and delivered up to them the island which is in their language called Thanet, and by Britons Ruym. The Saxons were received by Vortigern, four hundred and fourty seven years after the passion of Christ."
Sure these sources are not from Vortigerns time, but they would have mentioned, if he were from Saxon descendant.
Nennius instead does write about Vortigerns children (a son called Vortimer), his affilitaions with the daughter of the Saxon King Hengest and even of Merlin(Ambrose/Embresguletic) who advises him in the matter of building his castle .. and he writes of his death, caused by Saxons.
Last but not least the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles documents for the year 455:
"Her Hengest and Horsa futhon wiþ Wyrtgeorne þæm cynninge in þære stowe þe is gecweden Ægelesford; and his broþor, Horsan, man ofslog. And æfter þæm Hengest feng to rice, (and Æsc his sunu)."
"This year Hengest and Horsa fought with Wurtgern the king on the spot that is called Aylesford. His brother Horsa being there slain, Hengest afterwards took to the kingdom with his son Esc."
What benefit do we have from that little lesson of history?
Well first Vortigern was real, and he was a king, a warrior and someone who tried to keep his position at all costs.
A role that was depicted absolutely fine by Rutger Hauer...
Well and for that accursed books - throw them in the nearest trash-can and write your fictions of Mab and Vortigern, with the background knowledge just provided. xD