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Post by Mabforever on Sept 21, 2010 19:53:18 GMT
Frik. ;D
he's half-human that's why he didn't die. tho it is surprising the faery part of him didn't die.
half-vampires can go out in the sunlight unlike full-vampires. they may or may not like sunlight, but it has no ill affect on them unlike full bloods because they're still half-human. the closer they are to full-vamps the more full-vamp issues bother them.
so merlin was very human I suppose? since very few faery issues bothered him.
Then he shoudlnt be allowed to be young with Nimue at the end cos that is so a case of having your cake and eating it too.
french folio what's a folio? french was my first foreign language I learned, but I'm not a master of it or anything. it's like a piece of writing you learn like 8 para long or something then of the top of your head remember it and send it to the exam boards needless to say its like impossible.
I love languages and if I was immortal I would learn all the languages in the world. (because then I would have time to learn them all) I hate them and if I were immortal and had the choice of having my immortality being stripped away or learning all those languages I'd die.
how many languages do you think mab knows? All, not just that she's immortal her being Queen of Magick I assume that'd give her a head start most importantly even though she leads to her own death she is really smart.
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Why does Frik smile when Mab picks babah Merlin up?
Funniest scene in Merlin?
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 22, 2010 10:08:10 GMT
Then he shoudlnt be allowed to be young with Nimue at the end cos that is so a case of having your cake and eating it too. he's merlin and the whole movie is biased toward him.
it's like a piece of writing you learn like 8 para long or something then of the top of your head remember it and send it to the exam boards needless to say its like impossible. memorize it one piece at a time. 5 sentences a day or something and keep saying it repeating it all day long, in class, in the bathroom, etc. then add the next 5 sentences the next day. I've had to memorize long pieces of music before and play it off from memory so you just have to take it one piece at a time. think of it like acting. actors like miranda have to memorize long lines every night in order to perform the next scene the next day. actual stage plays are even worse. you have to memorize those so well you can say it backwards in your sleep.
I hate them and if I were immortal and had the choice of having my immortality being stripped away or learning all those languages I'd die lmao, but you would have all of eternity to learn! plenty of time, it would be easy because you could go at a nice slow pace.
Why does Frik smile when Mab picks babah Merlin up? he's happy his mistress is happy and therefore not busy kicking him around. *martin short has a baby fetish?*
Funniest scene in Merlin? "now see what you made me do." "We thought we'd come in the traditional way...through the door."---"It's traditional to open it first." "why is everyone suddenly against me?"
how many languages do you think mab knows? All, not just that she's immortal her being Queen of Magick I assume that'd give her a head start most importantly even though she leads to her own death she is really smart. which languages do you think she would deem important to learn? french? latin, ancient greek?
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 22, 2010 18:06:35 GMT
he's merlin and the whole movie is biased toward him. I contest I demand a remake name Mab.memorize it one piece at a time. 5 sentences a day or something and keep saying it repeating it all day long, in class, in the bathroom, etc. then add the next 5 sentences the next day. I've had to memorize long pieces of music before and play it off from memory so you just have to take it one piece at a time. think of it like acting. actors like miranda have to memorize long lines every night in order to perform the next scene the next day. actual stage plays are even worse. you have to memorize those so well you can say it backwards in your sleep.Its to be in for tomorrow theres no chance had it been an english script I wouldnt have bothered that I could do but thanx for the Miranda inspo. lmao, but you would have all of eternity to learn! plenty of time, it would be easy because you could go at a nice slow pace.Sounds. . . . . Like to much hard work, no chance ! ! Im lazy and proud. he's happy his mistress is happy and therefore not busy kicking him around. *martin short has a baby fetish?*Fair enough answer and lol, Ive seen a smile like that when a new mother picks up her baby but that isnt really true here. He seemed almost ecstatic. "now see what you made me do." "We thought we'd come in the traditional way...through the door."---"It's traditional to open it first." "why is everyone suddenly against me?"My fave ever is Vortigerns tower falling. which languages do you think she would deem important to learn? french? latin, ancient greek?All that her people and followers spoke. How do you reckon Mab would have coped bringing Merlin up on her own?
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 23, 2010 21:33:28 GMT
double post up there....
How do you reckon Mab would have coped bringing Merlin up on her own? Could you really see her raising a child? If she had taken the child with her, she probably would have stolen someone away to her land to take care of it for her.
Human queens never had much to do with their offspring either. The child was always immediately handed off to a wet nurse.
She would've held him in her arms occasionally, but the moment he pooped, or burped, or puked she would have handed him back to the nurse immediately. (and it would've been damn funny too.)
ugh, I hope I didn't ask this before. It's getting hard to remember.
Why do you think she named him Merlin?
I knew a kid named Falcon once and its not a good name to have. You get made fun of a lot when you have an unusual name.
But I do think the name Merlin is awesome for the movie setting, but definitely not for a modern-day scene unless you want the kid to be teased all the time.
So..the Lady of the Lake always comes up into the world of air to speak to Mab or Merlin. How come neither of them ever goes down into the water to speak to the Lady? They never enter her territory even though she constantly ventures into theirs when they call for her.
ok from what I've learned in my recent history lessons, the time period is this: The celtic peoples and the Romano-British were fighting off the Anglo-Saxon invaders that came from somewhere originally in Germany. The Romano-British are celtic people who adopted Roman ways during the 400 years of the Roman occupation of England.
And if you already knew all this, being scottish yourself, then thats great. A lot of it is completely new to me because I was only versed in mostly american history thanks to american schools.
then the vikings and finally the norman french moved in. so even if mab had somehow defeated the saxons and returned the romano-british to their original celtic ways, she would have had plenty of future invasions to deal with. it is a neverending battle and eventually something would have gone wrong and she would have finally lost no matter how long it took.
plus, i think the celts originally came from ireland and invaded scotland and then eventually moved down into england as well. whatever original people were here in england, it wasn't even the celts. but mab would have been a goddess from the celtic/welsh tradition. and then the anglo-saxons and romans added a lot of their pagan myth to the pot as well so its a right mixed up mess on what originally belonged to whom.
did mab step toward vortigern or did he pull her towards him? who initiated that dance?
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 24, 2010 0:04:37 GMT
double post up there.Fixed, the joys of fucking mobiles, on bebo I've ended up leaving 5 of the same comments as it never decides if its going to post or not hobo phone. Could you really see her raising a child? If she had taken the child with her, she probably would have stolen someone away to her land to take care of it for her.Lmao, thats why I asked. Human queens never had much to do with their offspring either. The child was always immediately handed off to a wet nurse.
She would've held him in her arms occasionally, but the moment he pooped, or burped, or puked she would have handed him back to the nurse immediately. (and it would've been damn funny too.)
You think thats the real reason Merlin went the way it did? So we'd take Mab more seriously? :L The only advantage I see with her is like her precious gift of patience and not needing sleep. Tbh I actually dont know why Mab would want to deal with a teenager either I can defo say teens are no more treats than babies really (not that Im talking about me *whistles*) ugh, I hope I didn't ask this before. It's getting hard to remember.
Why do you think she named him Merlin?Tell me about it but no you havent. I knew a kid named Falcon once and its not a good name to have. You get made fun of a lot when you have an unusual name.
But I do think the name Merlin is awesome for the movie setting, but definitely not for a modern-day scene unless you want the kid to be teased all the time.Well I wanted to be named Drusilla lol but Im a weird kid, Falcon is cool too. Well other than it was for the film I dunno I wonder if the M was of any significanse? Or perhaps the name had meaning to Mab for some reason? So..the Lady of the Lake always comes up into the world of air to speak to Mab or Merlin. How come neither of them ever goes down into the water to speak to the Lady? They never enter her territory even though she constantly ventures into theirs when they call for her.Merlin would drown/ Mab doesnt want to get her hair or pretty dresses wet? :L Ooooor perhaps they like me actually dont like her at all cos she's a bloody TRUMPIT ! *high fives Mab and Merlin* ok from what I've learned in my recent history lessons, the time period is this: The celtic peoples and the Romano-British were fighting off the Anglo-Saxon invaders that came from somewhere originally in Germany. The Romano-British are celtic people who adopted Roman ways during the 400 years of the Roman occupation of England.
And if you already knew all this, being scottish yourself, then thats great. A lot of it is completely new to me because I was only versed in mostly american history thanks to american schools.LoL your kidding right? We didnt get taught any of that we got taught about World War and World War II and Pearl Harbor. Like I care? then the vikings and finally the norman french moved in. so even if mab had somehow defeated the saxons and returned the romano-british to their original celtic ways, she would have had plenty of future invasions to deal with. it is a neverending battle and eventually something would have gone wrong and she would have finally lost no matter how long it took.
meeeeeeh buuuuuut just say right that she got to like now and our time. How would that work? I mean looking around we've got a bucket load of religions and even at that people just turn round and say yeah Im a Christian or blah blah blah when they dont even know anything about it. Example I watch Supernatural and there was a Pagan god wanting to be worshipped again (yeah evil so on and so forth *yawn*) anyway the god took the form of Paris Hilton as she was the kind of person people worshipped these days. How would Mab fit in with that one? plus, i think the celts originally came from ireland and invaded scotland and then eventually moved down into england as well. whatever original people were here in england, it wasn't even the celts. but mab would have been a goddess from the celtic/welsh tradition. and then the anglo-saxons and romans added a lot of their pagan myth to the pot as well so its a right mixed up mess on what originally belonged to whom.Isn't basically everything? Pick any religion it's all down to he said/ she said for all most every view of anything there is contreversy. I often wonder (perhaps being a little unfaithful to my religion here) if there is anything at all or are we just trying to comfort ourselves? did mab step toward vortigern or did he pull her towards him? who initiated that dance? You so just put an image in my head of them doing a waltz round the room ;D ....anyhoo, mmm well she extends her hand, but whether he tugs at her or she just walks forward Im not sure. I do notice he rubs her hand with his thumb, quite sure he wraps his arm like at her legs well one cos the over one is obviously round her waist, but also her eyes flicker to his lips a few times but perhaps just to make him uneasy when he's speaking *shrugs* I'll never fully understand that seens it's so half cooked. How awkward would that have eventually been for Mab and Vortigern to end? lol as we all know they didn't sit like that forever more and I dunno how either could have said well things to do and buggered off. Either that or they secretly cut the scene which is in a box at the bottom of the ocean *takes crazy pills*
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 24, 2010 7:55:05 GMT
You think thats the real reason Merlin went the way it did? So we'd take Mab more seriously? :L The only advantage I see with her is like her precious gift of patience and not needing sleep. Tbh I actually dont know why Mab would want to deal with a teenager either I can defo say teens are no more treats than babies really (not that Im talking about me *whistles*)Toddlers, young children, teens, none of those can be called "fun". Yeah I think Ambrosia was the convenient person who was willing to take care of Merlin so Mab allowed it. Ambrosia rubbed in her face too saying she was aware that Mab had no idea how to bring up a child. "Madam, why do you allow her to talk to you like that?" "Because she needs me, idiot." "Why do I need you Ambrosia?" "To take care of this child." I love how Mab asks her why. Like Mab is testing how intelligent Ambrosia is "Is she aware that I need her? Dang it, she's already aware of her usefulness, now she's got the slightly upperhand." or at least loath to admit she needs Ambrosia to do something for her. Mab is always off doing something during those long sleepless hours. She's not holding toddlers. She didn't pay much attention to him even when he finally came to her land. That's why I'm so inclined to say she really hadn't started viewing him as a person yet or worthy of her attention. He was still just this tool or fine object she had created and while she was fond of it, there wasn't much reason to talk to it as if it were a person. Other than that, she must be an impatient teacher and so gave the task to Frik. Well other than it was for the film I dunno I wonder if the M was of any significanse? Or perhaps the name had meaning to Mab for some reason?yeah a lot of the names in the arthurian tales do start with a M. mab, morrigan, morgan, merlin, mordred One of Mab's animal forms is a raven and she's the queen of air. so birds probably have a lot of significance being creatures of the air. so you can't name a male "Raven" right? maybe "Merlin", a falcon, was a good strong sounding name and it was a creature of the air. Merlin is the child of the queen of air. How would Mab fit in with that one?So in other words all Mab would have to do is become a successful actress or singer and she would have all the followers she wanted. I think she would want something bit more permenant than that, but i don't know how to do it with the fickle crowds we have today. I often wonder (perhaps being a little unfaithful to my religion here) if there is anything at all or are we just trying to comfort ourselves?sure i understand. but i really do think there's something out there. look around you at how complex the world is. You change one thing in the environment and you affect thousands of other things. It shows how delicately balanced and complex everything is. How could all of this detail and complexity come into existence without a creator god of some sort? The only thing the scientists talk about is the big bang theory, which I find even more unbelievable than religion. "A big bang" brought all of this into existence? An accident created the diverse variety and complexity of this world from the gigantic galaxies to the subatomic particles smaller than electrons? The universe has an order. It has the laws of physics. Things don't happen at random or without explanation. Clealy there was a creator at work that drafted all these rules so that the universe would stay balanced and working right and not randomly self-destruct one day. Everytime you peel back a layer of the onion, there's another, just as complex, layer underneath. This world is fascinating and we're still very far away from understanding all its secrets. I'm of the opinion that science complements, it does not negate, religion. Evolution and the big bang are one of the few things I disagree with because I think there's no real evidence for them they were merely composed by people who were trying to disprove a creator god. LoL your kidding right? We didnt get taught any of that we got taught about World War and World War II and Pearl Harbor. Like I care?lol that makes me feel better really. that I'm not the only one kept ignorant by school systems. You so just put an image in my head of them doing a waltz round the room ;D ....anyhoo, mmm well she extends her hand, but whether he tugs at her or she just walks forward Im not sure. I do notice he rubs her hand with his thumb, quite sure he wraps his arm like at her legs well one cos the over one is obviously round her waist, but also her eyes flicker to his lips a few times but perhaps just to make him uneasy when he's speaking *shrugs* I'll never fully understand that seens it's so half cooked.
How awkward would that have eventually been for Mab and Vortigern to end? lol as we all know they didn't sit like that forever more and I dunno how either could have said well things to do and buggered off. Either that or they secretly cut the scene which is in a box at the bottom of the ocean;D waltz.... It seems like she walks toward him and he never pulls her, just allows her to come to him. But the fact that he rubs her hand with his thumb is like an invitation. why did she choose to turn into a seductress at that moment? Well maybe they were getting ready to have sex and then one of vortigern's men comes by and declares uther's about to attack and they are interrupted and mab vanishes back to her land. tho i dont think she would have sex with him?? he had just refused her teardrop gift. ------------- ok this is way too deep thinking, but how much did mab know about chrisitanity? Did she get the idea of a "savior" from it or is that just a universal idea? Because Merlin's story is extremely symbolic of christ's story, or at least the very beginning parts - born of a virgin, savior of people, etc. Here's an even deeper thought, maybe she did it this way on purpose so that the christians could relate and understand it. For example, Japanese society is 99.9% buddhist and Shinto. When you try to explain Christianity to them they really don't get it. It makes no sense to them because the very concept is so foreign to them because they are all buddhist and shinto. That why it is so difficult to convert Japanese to christianity because western schools of thought and eastern schools of thought are so different and many times completely opposite that you can't find any common ground to explain things in a way that makes sense to the other person. So what I mean is maybe she created Merlin that way because it gave those who had been raised christian something they could understand and relate to because it mirrored the birth of the christ. People like Nimue had been raised christian all their life and would not have understood anything about the old religion. Maybe by having merlin's birth and other things be something familiar it was an attempt to find that common ground between such vast differences and maybe even convert them. Because if you're going to convert someone, they have to be able to grasp the concept you're trying to teach them in the first place. See that was way too deep. I'm reading into it more than anyone should.
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 25, 2010 22:22:15 GMT
Toddlers, young children, teens, none of those can be called "fun". Yeah I think Ambrosia was the convenient person who was willing to take care of Merlin so Mab allowed it. Ambrosia rubbed in her face too saying she was aware that Mab had no idea how to bring up a child. "Madam, why do you allow her to talk to you like that?" "Because she needs me, idiot." "Why do I need you Ambrosia?" "To take care of this child."Yeah lol I think humans in general can just be impossible to get on with. I think it's hillarious when they do that, lil Frik's just standing there without a clue as to whats going on. I love how Mab asks her why. Like Mab is testing how intelligent Ambrosia is "Is she aware that I need her? Dang it, she's already aware of her usefulness, now she's got the slightly upperhand." or at least loath to admit she needs Ambrosia to do something for her.Yes but besides that the words hollow and why always change to Mab saying them when I hear people saying them lol. Especially in geography when we're talking about hollows and caverns all I can hear is Mab's raspy voice which becomes distracting haha. Mab is always off doing something during those long sleepless hours. She's not holding toddlers. She didn't pay much attention to him even when he finally came to her land. That's why I'm so inclined to say she really hadn't started viewing him as a person yet or worthy of her attention. He was still just this tool or fine object she had created and while she was fond of it, there wasn't much reason to talk to it as if it were a person. Other than that, she must be an impatient teacher and so gave the task to Frik.I think we already went through the "wtf was she doing?" thing so I wont bring it up again. But again I get confused by her precious gift of patience and short temper. yeah a lot of the names in the arthurian tales do start with a M. mab, morrigan, morgan, merlin, mordredoooohhh yeah so they do. I remember noticing before but it completely slipped my mind. Wonder why that was? One of Mab's animal forms is a raven and she's the queen of air. so birds probably have a lot of significance being creatures of the air. so you can't name a male "Raven" right? maybe "Merlin", a falcon, was a good strong sounding name and it was a creature of the air. Merlin is the child of the queen of air.*shrugs* Merlin may just be because Mab was created for Merlin (the film) where as in the film its the other way around. I quite like the name Merlin it's cool, I dont get why its not used alot Like I know its an old name but I dont recall any other Merlin...ever. I have to be wrong though perhaps he's just the only famous one. So in other words all Mab would have to do is become a successful actress or singer and she would have all the followers she wanted. She could do something really crazy like turn into a chick called Miranda Richardson ;D I think she would want something bit more permenant than that, but i don't know how to do it with the fickle crowds we have today.Would she need to? LOL well if you think about it if were this uber hot guy and turned around and said btw am a vampire your gonna get loads of followers. A fuck load of haters but strong bunch of followers. Mab being the Queen of Magick would probably just need to wiggle her fingers and make it start raining and she'd probably have a fair section on there knees. sure i understand. but i really do think there's something out there. look around you at how complex the world is. You change one thing in the environment and you affect thousands of other things. It shows how delicately balanced and complex everything is. How could all of this detail and complexity come into existence without a creator god of some sort? The only thing the scientists talk about is the big bang theory, which I find even more unbelievable than religion. "A big bang" brought all of this into existence? An accident created the diverse variety and complexity of this world from the gigantic galaxies to the subatomic particles smaller than electrons? The universe has an order. It has the laws of physics. Things don't happen at random or without explanation. Clealy there was a creator at work that drafted all these rules so that the universe would stay balanced and working right and not randomly self-destruct one day. Everytime you peel back a layer of the onion, there's another, just as complex, layer underneath. This world is fascinating and we're still very far away from understanding all its secrets.There are so many possibilites and I guess we'll never really find out until death day if there is anything. Yet I sometimes consider and I know this sounds fucking crazy, that none of this is real we dont exist. Maybe we're just a dream. Like say we were in a book and someone was writing us. I know it's insane but possibilites are fun. lol that makes me feel better really. that I'm not the only one kept ignorant by school systems.Yeah we actually get taught very little I know I whine about school work alot but tbh they dont teach us anything that is actually necessary like nothing at all then other stuff is like waaay from other countries and of no use to us. ;D waltz....I know It seems like she walks toward him and he never pulls her, just allows her to come to him. But the fact that he rubs her hand with his thumb is like an invitation. why did she choose to turn into a seductress at that moment?Yeah it seems like neither has any intention of stopping the other in whatever they want to do. Maybe it was a last attempt to sway him? But I think she had a lil more respect for him than that. Perhaps it was just a moment a split second for her to cut away from her own war, maybe it was perhaps her goddess side coming out more. Or maybe she just fancied a shag lol, Mab being Mab there was probably a very complicated and extremly simple explanation haha. Well maybe they were getting ready to have sex and then one of vortigern's men comes by and declares uther's about to attack and they are interrupted and mab vanishes back to her land.Yeah I guess the simpilest way would be for her to vanish but didnt she arrive with her people? tho i dont think she would have sex with him?? he had just refused her teardrop gift.Probably a lil insulted but if she had wanted him at the time that may not have mattered. ------------- ok this is way too deep thinking, but how much did mab know about chrisitanity?This whole bloody thread if forum goes into waaaay too deep thinking ;D Did she get the idea of a "savior" from it or is that just a universal idea?God was Jesus dreamed up yet at this point though (timelines confuse me mate) if so yes that would be a very smart plan which is Mab like or maybe it was just convenient. Not like she was gonna have the kid herself. Because Merlin's story is extremely symbolic of christ's story, or at least the very beginning parts - born of a virgin, savior of people, etc.Yes but that's just in this particular film, maybe that's what they were going for. Here's an even deeper thought, maybe she did it this way on purpose so that the christians could relate and understand it.
For example, Japanese society is 99.9% buddhist and Shinto. When you try to explain Christianity to them they really don't get it. It makes no sense to them because the very concept is so foreign to them because they are all buddhist and shinto. That why it is so difficult to convert Japanese to christianity because western schools of thought and eastern schools of thought are so different and many times completely opposite that you can't find any common ground to explain things in a way that makes sense to the other person.Yeah I know what you mean and that makes it more clearer that it is something Mab would do. Orrr is that not a bit of an insult to her? Maybe not just kinda think it's clever but loses pride. Then again Mab said it was Vortigern's pride that condemnedhim not her. So what I mean is maybe she created Merlin that way because it gave those who had been raised christian something they could understand and relate to because it mirrored the birth of the christ. People like Nimue had been raised christian all their life and would not have understood anything about the old religion. Maybe by having merlin's birth and other things be something familiar it was an attempt to find that common ground between such vast differences and maybe even convert them. Because if you're going to convert someone, they have to be able to grasp the concept you're trying to teach them in the first place.A Mab mindset I suppose it would be alot more comfortable for them if they had something to relate to and that would be it. Very clever whether they fixed that all out for the film? Not got a bloody clue. It is possible to work like that but it's a really lotta thought hehe. See that was way too deep. I'm reading into it more than anyone should.That's what we do...WHO YA GONNA CALL ?? :L :L ---------- if reply is screwy its cos Im watching tv while typing lol ---------- Is there anything Mab wouldnt do to put her cause back into full power?
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 26, 2010 1:03:54 GMT
I think we already went through the "wtf was she doing?" thing so I wont bring it up again. But again I get confused by her precious gift of patience and short temper. In the book Brisingr, Eragon describes the elves/fey as capricious. The main reason he doesn't trust them is because they are so unpredictable. One moment they're being warm, the next ice cold. He likes them, but doesn't trust them. He thinks their queen is the most erratic. So maybe that's why Mab is patient, but also short-tempered, she's just capricious.
oooohhh yeah so they do. I remember noticing before but it completely slipped my mind. Wonder why that was? you'd have to break down the meanings of the names. It's all welsh origin and has either "death" or "sea" somewhere in the meaning, but not together.
Like I know its an old name but I dont recall any other Merlin...ever. I have to be wrong though perhaps he's just the only famous one. Merlin is not the original form of the name. Myrddin is what it comes from and it means "sea fortress". this goes back to my original comment about all of them having a "sea" or "death" in the name.
Morgan has a much more ambiguous origin. It could be from Muirgen meaning "born of the sea" in Gaelic.
Another source gives the meaning of the name as "great queen" and relates the name to the MorrĂgan, a goddess of war. It can be straightforwardly interpreted as "great queen" (Old Irish) Alternatively, mor may derive from an Indo-European root connoting terror or monstrousness, cognate with the Old English maere (which survives in the modern English word "nightmare"). Current scholarship mostly holds to MorrĂgan, often translated as "Phantom Queen" being the older, more accurate form.
Since Mab is not an original character, her name could have come from many different places: shakespeare, Mabinogi, Morgan, Modron, Mabon, etc.
My own crazy theory: Mary starts with an M and means "star of the sea" and maybe is at least part of the reason for all this names that start with M and have "sea" in their meaning. Jesus was born in 1 AD. King Arthur supposedly lived in the late 5th to early 6th century. So that's almost 600 years after the birth of christ and the name Mary may have been well-know or at least in common use. The Romans came to Britain in 400AD and were christianized later so the Romano-British as least would have been aware of Biblical names. Doesn't mean the original legends had the names: morgan, morrigan, mryddin, etc. but there could have been a mixing of ideas and meanings of the different cultures. But I'm taking this from the fact that maybe Morrigan, who was some kind of goddess for the pagans, and Mary, who is used like a goddess by roman catholics, may have mixed their stuff together.
This is for the most part total crap since Mryddin and Arthur were not originally part of the same story or time in folklore history. Later stories brought Arthur and Mryddin together. But its still fun to make connections with circumstantial evidence ;D I'm doing it right now in the paper I'm writing for Robin Hood for english class. I'm connecting Robin Hood to the green man and its all circumstantial evidence, but I'm allowed to write it anyway. There's never been any real proof that those carved green men on cathedrals are truly of pagan origin either. But its fun to stretch the truth...
Thousands of years of "truth-stretching", that's why we have all the crazy stories we do today.
The name Mordred is a lot like Arthur. No one's really sure where the name could have come from. I've heard all kinds of suggestions without any real proof for Mordred. "brave counsel", "evil counsellor", "fear of death".
She could do something really crazy like turn into a chick called Miranda Richardson good one!
Mab being the Queen of Magick would probably just need to wiggle her fingers and make it start raining and she'd probably have a fair section on there knees. in a very frightening way, i think ur right. people believe anything they see on tv or anything they hear. and then they either decide to worship it or throw atomic bombs at it.
that none of this is real we dont exist. lol there's entire schools of philosophy that argue that night and day. is this a chair? how do you know its a chair? how do you know this is reality or a dream? You seen the Matrix movies? they are so awesome, but they mess with your head and perception of reality.
Yeah it seems like neither has any intention of stopping the other in whatever they want to do. Maybe it was a last attempt to sway him? But I think she had a lil more respect for him than that. Perhaps it was just a moment a split second for her to cut away from her own war, maybe it was perhaps her goddess side coming out more. Or maybe she just fancied a shag lol, Mab being Mab there was probably a very complicated and extremly simple explanation haha. I sum this up in one word yet again, capricious.
Yeah I guess the simpilest way would be for her to vanish but didnt she arrive with her people? that second time she visited him, it looked like she came alone.
was Jesus dreamed up yet at this point though yes 600 years ago like i said above.
Is there anything Mab wouldnt do to put her cause back into full power? lick dung off the ground? or is that a rhetorical question?
as long as she didn't have to compromise her pride too much, i think she would do anything.
Yeah I know what you mean and that makes it more clearer that it is something Mab would do. Orrr is that not a bit of an insult to her? Maybe not just kinda think it's clever but loses pride. Then again Mab said it was Vortigern's pride that condemnedhim not her. Explain what you meant there more thoroughly. I'm confused.
--Final notes--- Christianity and paganism have been side by side for a looong time and they have likely influenced each other A LOT so that's why I look for common threads.
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 26, 2010 12:27:50 GMT
In the book Brisingr, Eragon describes the elves/fey as capricious. The main reason he doesn't trust them is because they are so unpredictable. One moment they're being warm, the next ice cold. He likes them, but doesn't trust them. He thinks their queen is the most erratic. So maybe that's why Mab is patient, but also short-tempered, she's just capricious.Maybe this goes under that we're reading too much into it catergory? lol it's a shame we only get to see that side of her as Ambrosia says she was once alot different and it would have been nice to see a more warmer side to her. Even when she was with Mordred as nice as she was being I seen little warmth in this until the very end when she was holding him in her arms. Throughout the film she kept making the mistake of showing her feelings too late particularly in Merlin's case. you'd have to break down the meanings of the names. It's all welsh origin and has either "death" or "sea" somewhere in the meaning, but not together.LoL it's funny that in your replies you appear like the source of all knowledge and I'm like your dumb adorable side kick hehe. Merlin is not the original form of the name. Myrddin is what it comes from and it means "sea fortress". this goes back to my original comment about all of them having a "sea" or "death" in the name.Which leads back to my above comment lol and for the record I prefer Merlin to Myrddin. I just think Merlin has such a magickal feel to it like bubbles of magick or something. Morgan has a much more ambiguous origin. It could be from Muirgen meaning "born of the sea" in Gaelic. Another source gives the meaning of the name as "great queen" and relates the name to the MorrĂgan, a goddess of war. It can be straightforwardly interpreted as "great queen" (Old Irish) Alternatively, mor may derive from an Indo-European root connoting terror or monstrousness, cognate with the Old English maere (which survives in the modern English word "nightmare"). Current scholarship mostly holds to MorrĂgan, often translated as "Phantom Queen" being the older, more accurate form.Oh wow phantom queen sounds so cool. I've never had much an interest for the name Morgan mainly cos of this annoying lil hobbit who visits her grandmother next door to me. It puts you of for life. I think I've read the name Morrigan somewhere before probss on wiki I prefer Morgan to that. Since Mab is not an original character, her name could have come from many different places: shakespeare, Mabinogi, Morgan, Modron, Mabon, etc.Ooooh and there was that chick that died with a block o' cheese. I love how her name is short but very powerful and all down to this film and Miranda "Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab!!!!" My own crazy theory: Mary starts with an M and means "star of the sea" and maybe is at least part of the reason for all this names that start with M and have "sea" in their meaning.Wtf is with this sea thingy? Jesus was born in 1 AD. King Arthur supposedly lived in the late 5th to early 6th century. So that's almost 600 years after the birth of christ and the name Mary may have been well-know or at least in common use. The Romans came to Britain in 400AD and were christianized later so the Romano-British as least would have been aware of Biblical names. Doesn't mean the original legends had the names: morgan, morrigan, mryddin, etc. but there could have been a mixing of ideas and meanings of the different cultures. But I'm taking this from the fact that maybe Morrigan, who was some kind of goddess for the pagans, and Mary, who is used like a goddess by roman catholics, may have mixed their stuff together.In all we're gonna have to get that time machine back out. I'd actually laugh if both these were just completely made up then all those lives and years of fake worship would be for nothing (ok or possibly cry) They are both similar but then again it's not like Merlin was the first pagan. (apparently he was the last who could actually do magick) You've gotta love the lack of any of these Gods popping out to save there people (other than that hold Jesus thing which I dont believe for a moment) If any would just show up and give us a religion to follow we could have saved so much blood. This is for the most part total crap since Mryddin and Arthur were not originally part of the same story or time in folklore history. Later stories brought Arthur and Mryddin together. But its still fun to make connections with circumstantial evidence ;DThe fun we can make from a couple of legends. It would be really cool to have been in the midst of something like that though. It's a shame with all our technological gizmos we possibly live in the most boring time ever. I'm doing it right now in the paper I'm writing for Robin Hood for english class. I'm connecting Robin Hood to the green man and its all circumstantial evidence, but I'm allowed to write it anyway. There's never been any real proof that those carved green men on cathedrals are truly of pagan origin either. But its fun to stretch the truth...Robin Hood yes...Green Man is smart people code for martion? Thousands of years of "truth-stretching", that's why we have all the crazy stories we do today.And this makes my maybe this is all a dream theory more cooky hehehehehe The name Mordred is a lot like Arthur. No one's really sure where the name could have come from. I've heard all kinds of suggestions without any real proof for Mordred. "brave counsel", "evil counsellor", "fear of death".Wll tbh Arthur makes me think of old guy in grandpa jumper with glasses and Mordred makes me think of Morbid. good one!And still dress and wear Mab make up with long Mab hair in a very frightening way, i think ur right. people believe anything they see on tv or anything they hear. and then they either decide to worship it or throw atomic bombs at it.The only thing we lack in all this is a real god stepping forward and doing something like that and if they did that hey guess what all religious war over (well it'd start to end) obviously it'd take alot to change someone's religion had they been following it there whole life. lol there's entire schools of philosophy that argue that night and day. is this a chair? how do you know its a chair? how do you know this is reality or a dream? You seen the Matrix movies? they are so awesome, but they mess with your head and perception of reality.HA! I did not know that, I am a genious. See these are my thoughts they said they found a tiny black whole which could take us back in time but it's smaller than worm sized so we cant go through. But what if we're a black whole what if we're just madness clanging of each other. And I've never seen the Matrix. I sum this up in one word yet again, capricious.Ooooooooooooooooooh someone's got a new word hehe we really should get Mab in to answer some questions. Got her number? that second time she visited him, it looked like she came alone.Didn't notice. I wonder if she did leave in her special Mab way if that had any affect on Vortigern. yes 600 years ago like i said above.You see what happens if you watch tv while trying to reply your very lucky I didn't accidently type you up the x factor contestants lol. Im not one of those who can multi task. Is there anything Mab wouldnt do to put her cause back into full power? lick dung off the ground? or is that a rhetorical question?
as long as she didn't have to compromise her pride too much, i think she would do anything.LOL but would that include if she was to vanish completely yet that would still guarantee her saving her people would she do that? I assume yes, I know she basically is her religion but just say that was the deal she was offered. Im guessing she'd sacrifice anyone else including Merlin and Im not saying she wouldn't have the guts because I trust she would. But she is a goddess who was involved with her people. Not just the worship me from a far type though Im sure there were a lotta people who hadnt seen her if not most but she interacted with the likes of Ambrosia. She cared alot. Explain what you meant there more thoroughly. I'm confused.That maybe she didn't care as much for her pride I mean of course she was a proud woman but determined for her religion. Where as Vortigern wouldn't accept her help. And I find it slightly insulting if I were her and I had to copy Christianity, ie a blow to my pride. But if it was a necessary to survive why the fuck not because what ever way at the end of the day it's very clever and would trick them into a false sense of security that both religions could relate. --Final notes--- Christianity and paganism have been side by side for a looong time and they have likely influenced each other A LOT so that's why I look for common threads.Like knives and forks Im waaaaaaaay scraping now for stuff to say even my last question was screwy lol. I think we have discussed everything Mab possible from her name and dresses to religion and lovers.
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 26, 2010 18:11:14 GMT
I love how you distract me from my homework. I always come down to the computer lab determined to get some work done, but then I end up here writing long posts. lol
Throughout the film she kept making the mistake of showing her feelings too late particularly in Merlin's case. totally, totally agree
it's funny that in your replies you appear like the source of all knowledge and I'm like your dumb adorable side kick hehe I google as I write this stuff. *hugs your adorableness* you put up with my long-winded writing habits.
I just think Merlin has such a magickal feel to it like bubbles of magick or something. of course!
Morgan is always associated with Morgan le fay in the Arthurian tales while Morrigan is an ancient goddess that is similar to the washer-woman-at-the-ford, the crone/warrior aspect of the triple goddess.
(other than that hold Jesus thing which I dont believe for a moment) If any would just show up and give us a religion to follow we could have saved so much blood. that entire statement is contradictory to me. jesus did show up and give people a religion to follow, but many people didn't believe him. it's not that simple. no matter who shows up there's always going to be people who won't follow it. that's why there's always bloodshed. if mab just showed up one day, do you really think everyone in the world would follow her automatically? jesus, whether you believe he existed or not, is a good example. you have a nice guy, who's trying to show people how to do the right thing but most people arn't interested in that. they're too preoccupied with their own goals. so even when you've got a really good guy, it doesn't solve the problem of the inherent selfishness in the human race.
It's a shame with all our technological gizmos we possibly live in the most boring time ever. hmm i dunno, i wouldn't call our time boring even if you took away the technology. "exciting" or "terrifying" would apply because of all the crazy stuff going on. natural disasters everywhere you look, Haiti for example. uprisings and war in the middle east. every time you look in the news, there's been another random act of terrorism or school-shooting. i think the whole world has finally gone mad, if it wasn't already.
Robin Hood yes...Green Man is smart people code for martion? LMAO! no not martians, green man is the ancient pagan god of the forest, with antlers, like herne the hunter, leader of the wild hunt, or like Idath -mab's(goddess's) lover.
Mordred makes me think "mor-dread". mort/mourir is the french word for death. so like the "dread of death" or "fear of death", but because the name is so old, it probably doesn't have a connection to modern french like that. the best guess for arthur is something from latin since he was a romano-british hero.
And still dress and wear Mab make up with long Mab hair could the queen or parliament pass a law like that? miranda must dress like mab and must come to live at mrap and merlin proboards forever with us. how's that sound?
And I've never seen the Matrix. you should totally go watch it, at least the first movie. afterwards, you'll be like "how do i know this is real reality?"
I wonder if she did leave in her special Mab way if that had any affect on Vortigern. here's a good question. why does mab choose sometimes to walk out the door, or "through the door", or just go "poof"? she goes poof the first few scenes we see her in the movie. but when she appears in the land of magic she appears outside her palace. WHy? she has to walk up her steps and into her palace. why not just go poof straight into the sanctum? whenever she's dealing with ambrosia she goes blatantly poof. whenever she's dealing with vortigern, she doesn't do poof. with merlin during ambrosia's death, she walks towards the door, but goes poof before actually crossing the threshold. with nimue, she always disappears too, but that's more understandable, she can't march out the front doors of avalon. so examine: is there any reason why certain characters she interacts with get the "poof" performance and others do not?
and do faeries just love to appear behind people?? frik and mab seem to do it all the time. "if you're going to appear somewhere, always do it behind the person so they have to waste time turning around to face you"
we really should get Mab in to answer some questions. Got her number? other than smoke signals, 1-800-MAGIC?
u do understand 1-800-numbers are "toll-free" numbers in the US right?
she interacted with the likes of Ambrosia. she was interacting with ambrosia because ambrosia happened to be the woman who was kind enough to take care of poor pregnant elissa. otherwise i think elissa would have been left to rot somewhere. she had no family and nobody cared. that's what's always so peculiar. mab sets her seed in elissa, a christian woman, and then leaves her. elissa is carrying merlin, but mab doesn't do anything to help her or make sure she will be able to survive long enough to give birth to the child. i mean, it could be ambrosia stepped up to the plate so fast that it was already taken care of before mab even noticed. but you think she would have kept a closer eye on the woman who was carrying her child.
That maybe she didn't care as much for her pride I mean of course she was a proud woman but determined for her religion. Where as Vortigern wouldn't accept her help. And I find it slightly insulting if I were her and I had to copy Christianity, ie a blow to my pride. But if it was a necessary to survive why the fuck not because what ever way at the end of the day it's very clever and would trick them into a false sense of security that both religions could relate. thank you, now i get what you're saying about the pride thing. and yeah i agree with it.
Im waaaaaaaay scraping now for stuff to say even my last question was screwy lol. I think we have discussed everything Mab possible from her name and dresses to religion and lovers. I still have a question. What was Mab like before the Roman invasion?
-- the reason i stop capitalizing after awhile is because holding down the shift key slows down my typing speed and im very lazy. its so much faster to type when you don't have to pause and reach for the shift key. whenever you reach for it with your little finger, you have to move your whole left hand slightly out of position and i hate that.
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 26, 2010 22:54:29 GMT
I love how you distract me from my homework. I always come down to the computer lab determined to get some work done, but then I end up here writing long posts. lolAhhhh I have that affect on people myself included procrastination very unvaluable though centric trait of mine I google as I write this stuff. *hugs your adorableness* you put up with my long-winded writing habits.The really clever thing to do here would be for you to say you know everything from general knowledge but hey honesty isnt a bad thing either right ? *puts cute adodable puppy eye contacts in and huggles back* of course!It's my cuteness Morgan is always associated with Morgan le fay in the Arthurian tales while Morrigan is an ancient goddess that is similar to the washer-woman-at-the-ford, the crone/warrior aspect of the triple goddess.Morgan - annoying red haired lil girl Morrigan - comb, Dont ask why I used to always to do this thing with days and numbers ok I still do I just always picture them as colours. Anyway the triple goddess...why do I gots a feeling I heard that in charmed or maybe it was the triple crescent not sure. So, so I got this right, Mogan and Morrigan are like in no way related or we're not sure whether to differentiate between them. I do vaguely remember one history class where I got bored not doing anything so decide to listen and the teacher person said something about depending how old the history we tend to mix people up as we forget people can be similar or have same names. Then something about us not having reality tv back then. that entire statement is contradictory to me. jesus did show up and give people a religion to follow, but many people didn't believe him. it's not that simple. no matter who shows up there's always going to be people who won't follow it. that's why there's always bloodshed.Really? Cos if someone appeared and shot lightning from there finger tips maybe not everyone but I'd be pretty convinced. If there were like no wires and stuff like that. Guess Im pleased easily. if mab just showed up one day, do you really think everyone in the world would follow her automatically? jesus, whether you believe he existed or not, is a good example. you have a nice guy, who's trying to show people how to do the right thing but most people arn't interested in that. they're too preoccupied with their own goals. so even when you've got a really good guy, it doesn't solve the problem of the inherent selfishness in the human race.Im sure she'd get a fair few I know people who think Kesha is god, school's jail(that I agree with), smarties are drugs, and that trains having window wipers are important. Jesus (referring to my earlier comment) did not shoot lightning from his fingers and none of the stuff he ever supposedly did can actually be proven. Get me a front row seat to him doing his wine deal and I'll convert for the wine if nothing else...wonder if he could do like vodka...besides the point never mind. So Jesus, why send him? Why not just have god appear and do the fish thing himself they try to kill him and he could go all terminator but in a good guy sorta way on them. Human selfishness does rock though in it's own fucked up and twisted way. It makes us different gives us people to really love and really hate. Makes everything interesting really, now a world of rosies is fine but soooo not my thing. hmm i dunno, i wouldn't call our time boring even if you took away the technology. "exciting" or "terrifying" would apply because of all the crazy stuff going on. natural disasters everywhere you look, Haiti for example. uprisings and war in the middle east. every time you look in the news, there's been another random act of terrorism or school-shooting. i think the whole world has finally gone mad, if it wasn't already.But that's there and Im here (not that I want like a big natural disaster thingy) There is no Robin Hood though, or Bonnie and Clyde or Mab, or Guy Fawkes, or even King Arthur. Like our time is based on more or less bad stuff happening and good stuff doesn't even get much publicity when it does. Not that Im saying the likes of Bonnie and Clyde were good just interesting. And people have been using the concept of these young crime spreeing robbers for donks. It's got it's own sort of glitzy thrill. LMAO! no not martians, green man is the ancient pagan god of the forest, with antlers, like herne the hunter, leader of the wild hunt, or like Idath -mab's(goddess's) lover.Ok lol, I dont go through the gods as fabulous as they are there's like too many and I get confused easily. SO for future tense Green Man - NOT MARTION, [glow=red,2,300]Green Man - is like Idath.[/glow] got it. Mordred makes me think "mor-dread". mort/mourir is the french word for death. so like the "dread of death" or "fear of death", but because the name is so old, it probably doesn't have a connection to modern french like that. the best guess for arthur is something from latin since he was a romano-british hero.Arthur should have named Morbid and that would have made my theory make more sense. Or at least owned up about his mistake so as to get across the importance of not sleeping with ones sister when methods of protection aren't available. could the queen or parliament pass a law like that? miranda must dress like mab and must come to live at mrap and merlin proboards forever with us. how's that sound?Course she could who's gonna have the guts or lack o' brain cells to dis someone who could set you on fire with there eyes. *looks round* oh yeah 2010 we still gots morons. Ak doesn't matter the worlds probably going to blow up in 2012 or next week or somethin. Your other idea sounds fabulous but she'd have to get cam and do the voice to then yeah? Or just do weekly visits to each of our homes cause she also gots Mab powers? ;D you should totally go watch it, at least the first movie. afterwards, you'll be like "how do i know this is real reality?"But....you said it's complicated and we all ready discussed that Im your cute adorable side kick. Just call me boo boo and I'll carry a picanic basket. here's a good question. why does mab choose sometimes to walk out the door, or "through the door", or just go "poof"? she goes poof the first few scenes we see her in the movie. but when she appears in the land of magic she appears outside her palace. WHy? she has to walk up her steps and into her palace. why not just go poof straight into the sanctum?Exercise. whenever she's dealing with ambrosia she goes blatantly poof."Remember who your dealing with." whenever she's dealing with vortigern, she doesn't do poof."I'll not make you feel to out masculated." with merlin during ambrosia's death, she walks towards the door, but goes poof before actually crossing the threshold."This is my idea of a hug when your aunt dies." with nimue, she always disappears too, but that's more understandable, she can't march out the front doors of avalonOoorrrrr, "Can your god do this bitch?" so examine: is there any reason why certain characters she interacts with get the "poof" performance and others do not?My answers not apt. but in all I guess Im saying she wants to leave certain affects and impressions on people. Like at random example Vortigern. Wouldn't he feel over powered and then resentful knowing she could over power him in the same time it would take him to raise his sword. Mab's a classy chick she does stuff with meaning and reason. and do faeries just love to appear behind people?? frik and mab seem to do it all the time. "if you're going to appear somewhere, always do it behind the person so they have to waste time turning around to face you"With fuck knows how many years with each other for company Im guessing it was kinda fun lol. Mab probably did that ALOT to Frik for personal amusement. Who in turn would do it to others (sort of play ground bully tactics) but how fun would it be if they played tig doing that? In the remake where Mab's alive that I keep telling myself there making they should totally have a scene with them doing that. other than smoke signals, 1-800-MAGIC? u do understand 1-800-numbers are "toll-free" numbers in the US right?Well get phoning you silly sausage. she was interacting with ambrosia because ambrosia happened to be the woman who was kind enough to take care of poor pregnant elissa. otherwise i think elissa would have been left to rot somewhere. she had no family and nobody cared. that's what's always so peculiar. mab sets her seed in elissa, a christian woman, and then leaves her. elissa is carrying merlin, but mab doesn't do anything to help her or make sure she will be able to survive long enough to give birth to the child. i mean, it could be ambrosia stepped up to the plate so fast that it was already taken care of before mab even noticed. but you think she would have kept a closer eye on the woman who was carrying her child.........I think one has went and got confused with real Merlin and favo Merlin fic..........yep one is now certain that is exactly what one done.......one is now going to stop calling one's self and get on with it. I did not know mamma dearest was Christian. Meh seriously? As with the rest of your post. I think it more probable that Ambrosia got there first the thing about Elissa is that she may have been Christian but she was carrying Merlin. Merlin who it nearly killed Mab to make, if Elissa died Merlin died combo package Im sure Mab wasn't stupid enough to do that. Let her die after it sure, but not during. So why didn't she pick a pagan to have the um Merlin? What was Mab like before the Roman invasion?A hippy on hash? I dont know it's hard to imagine Mab all sweet and nice. When we get introduced to her she's quite cold very calculating, and basically her showing emotion other than anger is apparently a taboo. It's not her fault though it's not like she chose to be that way it was necessary to save everyone (well try) I guess she would have been happy, calm. But what exactly was she doing before everything else happened? Like I have a hard enough time understanding what she was doing during the time of Merlin. With Idath? Maybe no? She did have a reputation of being well, (polite way) in demand sexually. Then again her people clearly always were a top priority and her religion. But without a battle to fight? I'd say more happy and relaxed but again what she was doing? -- the reason i stop capitalizing after awhile is because holding down the shift key slows down my typing speed and im very lazy. its so much faster to type when you don't have to pause and reach for the shift key.the reason why I take g's of sometimes and other letters is cos I either cba or like putting it more like the way I talk --------------- Did Frik always work for her, did she have other P.A's? Was Frik always scared of her? -------------------- When I don't have booze for a day or two and Im not drunk or hung over I tend to type a tad more than usual. Soweee hehe
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 27, 2010 15:13:05 GMT
The really clever thing to do here would be for you to say you know everything from general knowledge but hey honesty isnt a bad thing either right ?But otherwise I'd have to say, in the words of Severus Snape, I am an "insuffereable know-it-all". And that certainly doesn't endear you to people, look at poor Hermione! So, so I got this right, Mogan and Morrigan are like in no way related or we're not sure whether to differentiate between them.yep Triple Goddesses were common among Roman mythology so I'm not sure if Britain had triple goddesses before the Roman invasion or if it was purely a Roman pagan invention. Wiccans like to believe their Triple Goddess comes from some ancient prehistoric religion before Rome and all the other invasions of Britain, but there's not enough evidence. Circumstantial evidence and truth-stretching once again. We just don't have enough documentation of the time before the Romans to really know what was going on. The only written account I know of of the ancient celts was written by Julius Caesar when he invaded so we don't know if he was being entirely truthful or being a bit biased because he basically saw the celts as savages. The victors are the ones who write the history books. I can't wait until we reach the American revolutionary war in class here because I'm sure its going to sound a bit different than the way we Americans would portray it. What we would call freedom fighters or liberators is probably going to be called traitorous or rebellious here from that period in british-american history. Have you seen Wicked the musical? The one about the Wicked witch of the west and Glinda the good witch of the north? The wizard of Oz sings a wonderful song. "Elphaba, where I'm from people make up all sorts of lies. We call it history." A mans called traitor, or liberator A rich mans a thief, or philanthropist Is one a crusader, or ruthless invader? Its all in which label is able to persist. There are precious few at ease with moral ambiguities so we act as though they don’t exist.That's just part of the song but I'm sure you could find clip on youtube to listen to. Plenty of people illegally recorded in theatre. I've seen in it theatre once in the US. I haven't had the chance yet to see it on the West End. Anyway back to the Triple Goddesses. Usually they represent the three stages in a woman's life in Wiccan stuff. The original Roman triple goddesses though were usually just a trio of war goddesses or the like. There wasn't any difference between them. I guess if you're Roman you might as well have three instead of one war goddess. The three stages of a woman's life is the maiden/virgin, the mother, and the crone/warrior. So basically Mab is the crone/warrior, she's lost her maiden and mother aspects of herself. Really? Cos if someone appeared and shot lightning from there finger tips maybe not everyone but I'd be pretty convinced. If there were like no wires and stuff like that. Guess Im pleased easily.So if Jesus walked across the water towards you or Moses parted Red Sea, you wouldn't find that impressive? The Israelites saw those miracles and more and still they doubted God. The only thing I can think is that the wonder and marvel of it eventually wears off and you start to doubt again. Maybe an example would be Merlin in the land of magic. In the book, he's like "wow!" when he first sees the land of magic because it's magickal and unusual, wondrous, but after awhile the novelty wears off and it doesn't seem as impressive as it did when he first laid eyes on it. Nothing has changed, but Merlin has become accustomed to it and no longer considers it amazing. Its not quite the same thing with the parting of the red sea, but it is the same thing of how amazement eventually leaves people's minds because that's the way people are. The miracle hasn't changed, but they've become accustomed to it and the amazement has worn off. d none of the stuff he ever supposedly did can actually be proven.and mab or another god has more evidence for existence that jesus? Christianity is as real to some people as pagan gods are to others. And nobody should be disrespected because of their particular beliefs. so Jesus, why send him? Why not just have god appear and do the fish thing himself they try to kill him and he could go all terminator but in a good guy sorta way on them.Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God. God told them if they ate from the tree they would die. Satan told them if they ate from the tree they would not die. For whatever insane reason, Eve decided to believe Satan's words over God's even though God was her creator and given her an entire garden to eat from. God had to place that tree there to prove humans have free will. They had to have the ability to disobey him or they wouldn't have had to have free will. The forbidden fruit provided that choice of free will to choose to obey or disobey. And before you start in on a tyrannical god, think of how you (hopefully) obey your parents. And hopefully you have nice, loving parents. Parents usually tell you not to do something because they're trying to protect you, not kill your fun. If they say "Don't touch that pot." It's because they know you will get burned if you do, not because they enjoy controlling you or forcing you to do something. They're giving you a choice, but its going to hurt if you refuse to heed their words. So since the wages of disobedience(sin) is death(getting burned by the pot). God cannot overturn his own law. Even he is subject to his own laws, that's why he is considered just. So the only "loop-hole" if you can call it that, is to have a replacement sacrifice in place of humans and that is jesus. He's the sacrifice to pay for all the sins of humanity. And it is because he is part of god or son of god that he is the only one capable of paying that sacrifice. So basically God could have blasted humans out of existence long ago, but he doesn't want to. We're his creations and its just like Mab hoping one day Merlin might return to her. She doesn't want to kill Merlin. He is her creation and her child. So with jesus' sacrifice, a time of probation has been purchased for humans to prove whether they were worthy of that sacrifice/reprieve by doing their best to live a good life. No one's perfect, but its the effort that counts. And it won't be just christians, many people who call themselves "christian" do not really act like it because of the harsh way they treat other cultures and religions. Many others who are not christian are very kind and patient with others. No matter how someone else treats you, you're supposed to have love and patience with everyone. Finally, god is trying to show just how loving and patient he is. Instead of destroying adam and eve right then and there for their disobedience because he told them very clearly that they would die if they ate of that tree, he decided to give them a second chance and figured out a way to save them from the unbreakable justice of the law. Human selfishness does rock though in it's own fucked up and twisted way. It makes us different gives us people to really love and really hate. Makes everything interesting really, now a world of rosies is fine but soooo not my thing.But is it truly necessary? I understand where you're coming from because I've wondered about it myself before. I was thinking I would die of boredom if everything was all peaceful and nicey-nice crap. But look at what all that hatred causes: holocaust, wars, genocides, etc. all because people couldn't let go of their hatred. Hatred starts small, but eventually, over several decades, it grows much larger and out of control. I don't actually think heaven will be boring either just because there's no hatred or fighting. You can still have "challenging" without animosity. If you're playing a game with your friends, you're eager to win as always, but you don't hate them if they happen to win because their your friends and you like them. At the end of the game, no feels upset or miserable that they lost because everyone liked each other. And the game was still challenging and fun. So I don't think fighting or hatred is necessary to continue to find things exciting or challenging. I think we have trouble imagining a world of love as interesting because, of course, we've never experienced such a world and its therefore a really abstract concept to us. But that's there and Im hereBut one day, it could easily be here. you never know. Or at least owned up about his mistake so as to get across the importance of not sleeping with ones sister when methods of protection aren't available.hey you know he didn't do it on purpose! Mab tricked him into it. Have you seen Mists of Avalon? -great movie In that movie, both morgan and arthur were tricked into lying with each other. Your other idea sounds fabulous but she'd have to get cam and do the voice to then yeah? Or just do weekly visits to each of our homes cause she also gots Mab powers?If she just did the voice alone, I'd probably faint from happiness. But....you said it's complicatedIts a movie, movies aren't complicated. All you have to do is watch them. Doesn't require any personal imagination like books do. WHy? she has to walk up her steps and into her palace. why not just go poof straight into the sanctum? Exercise. whenever she's dealing with ambrosia she goes blatantly poof. "Remember who your dealing with." whenever she's dealing with vortigern, she doesn't do poof. "I'll not make you feel to out masculated." with merlin during ambrosia's death, she walks towards the door, but goes poof before actually crossing the threshold. "This is my idea of a hug when your aunt dies."lmao! I love all of that and I think its an accurate description. Mab's a classy chick she does stuff with meaning and reason.Yay you make her sound so cool! But then she already is! With fuck knows how many years with each other for company Im guessing it was kinda fun lol. Mab probably did that ALOT to Frik for personal amusement. Who in turn would do it to others (sort of play ground bully tactics) but how fun would it be if they played tig doing that? In the remake where Mab's alive that I keep telling myself there making they should totally have a scene with them doing that.lol yes there is a certain childish enjoyment in appearing behind people and making them turn around. I don't know how much anime you've watched, but its also many times a common trait in anime. Just to prove how fast the characters are or distinguish their playfulness. -- Merlin movie was a mostly accurate description of christianity at that time period, but its certainly not that way now. There are millions of different denominations. Nor are pagans evil, child-eating monsters. They have many different denominations too. I got that Elissa stuff from the book. It goes into more detail on merlin's conception. Mab chose Elissa to strike against christianity. Though I don't exactly know how that works. Elissa was this random person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but it didn't ruin anybody's day that she was pregnant so I don't know how Mab counts that as a "strike" against christianity. I think she should have chosen a pagan or at least an aristocrat cause that would have made more sense. A hippy on hash?hehehe I dont know it's hard to imagine Mab all sweet and nice. When we get introduced to her she's quite cold very calculating, and basically her showing emotion other than anger is apparently a taboo. It's not her fault though it's not like she chose to be that way it was necessary to save everyone (well try) I guess she would have been happy, calm. But what exactly was she doing before everything else happened? Like I have a hard enough time understanding what she was doing during the time of Merlin. With Idath? Maybe no? She did have a reputation of being well, (polite way) in demand sexually. Then again her people clearly always were a top priority and her religion. But without a battle to fight? I'd say more happy and relaxed but again what she was doing?Maybe we can base this on her other two aspects, maiden and mother. Like you said about the sex, that would be compatible with the maiden aspect, young and blossoming, and maybe she was being a mother,leader,goddess,whatever to her people. I think I remember something from the book saying that a king was never chosen without her approval first. The king was deeply tied to the land and ruled with the approved backing of the gods. What do human royalty do when there are no wars? also, I don't know if you noticed, but I'm the one writing the Mab Pre-history fanfic. But I'm glad you didn't refer to it in the answering my question. Did Frik always work for her, did she have other P.A's? Was Frik always scared of her?
I have no idea when Frik came to work for her or if she ever had any other P.A. No he was not always afraid. I don't have the books with me, but I think Frik said that he had forgotten when he first met Mab because it was so long ago. And he said that they used to be more of a team and plotted things together and she even occasionally used to listen to his advice. When things started to go wrong, she started to get more totalitarian with him. *takes deep breath after that really long post* -- I'm leaving for Ireland wednesday and I wont be back til sunday night. so I won't have internet during that time.
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 27, 2010 23:14:34 GMT
But otherwise I'd have to say, in the words of Severus Snape, I am an "insuffereable know-it-all". And that certainly doesn't endear you to people, look at poor Hermione!Yeah she got to be mates with a hero, a crazy blonde girl, a nervous but also couragous Longbottom, and a bunch of red haired kids one of which she ended up dating. Now that aint too bad So, so I got this right, Mogan and Morrigan are like in no way related or we're not sure whether to differentiate between them. yepMo Rgan sorry. Triple Goddesses were common among Roman mythology so I'm not sure if Britain had triple goddesses before the Roman invasion or if it was purely a Roman pagan invention. Wiccans like to believe their Triple Goddess comes from some ancient prehistoric religion before Rome and all the other invasions of Britain, but there's not enough evidence. Circumstantial evidence and truth-stretching once again. We just don't have enough documentation of the time before the Romans to really know what was going on. The only written account I know of of the ancient celts was written by Julius Caesar when he invaded so we don't know if he was being entirely truthful or being a bit biased because he basically saw the celts as savages. The victors are the ones who write the history books. I can't wait until we reach the American revolutionary war in class here because I'm sure its going to sound a bit different than the way we Americans would portray it. What we would call freedom fighters or liberators is probably going to be called traitorous or rebellious here from that period in british-american history.It's a shame none of our Mab thread here goes over to vodka, or whats going on in celeb world cos when it comes to languages and history I dont gots a clue lol. Im totally on Boo Boo mode. Going down a paragraph, I always imagined that every country would be biased lol. When we were in history once my mate turned round and said to me I bet the Germans wrote there own version where they won the war and cos of the language barrier no one understands. She's a cooky wee gal. Have you seen Wicked the musical? The one about the Wicked witch of the west and Glinda the good witch of the north? The wizard of Oz sings a wonderful song. "Elphaba, where I'm from people make up all sorts of lies. We call it history."No, I know the songs though A mans called traitor, or liberator A rich mans a thief, or philanthropist Is one a crusader, or ruthless invader? Its all in which label is able to persist. There are precious few at ease with moral ambiguities so we act as though they don’t exist.If that didnt rhyme so bloody much ya could get away with using that in a solo talk or something. That's just part of the song but I'm sure you could find clip on youtube to listen to. Plenty of people illegally recorded in theatre. I've seen in it theatre once in the US. I haven't had the chance yet to see it on the West End.The song is called wonderful, I alas have never gotten to see Wicked All the songs are completely fabulous though. My fave being No one Mourns the Wicked. Anyway back to the Triple Goddesses. Usually they represent the three stages in a woman's life in Wiccan stuff. The original Roman triple goddesses though were usually just a trio of war goddesses or the like. There wasn't any difference between them. I guess if you're Roman you might as well have three instead of one war goddess. The three stages of a woman's life is the maiden/virgin, the mother, and the crone/warrior. So basically Mab is the crone/warrior, she's lost her maiden and mother aspects of herself.Huh yeah I guess that would make sense, sounds kinda sad and final though I really wish Mab was real. Like I was saying about if she were around now the one guarantee is she would never be forgotten. So if Jesus walked across the water towards you or Moses parted Red Sea, you wouldn't find that impressive?If it were in front of me yeah of course I would, if it was second or like 1 millionth hand information your not even gonna get a flicker of interest from meh. The Israelites saw those miracles and more and still they doubted God. The only thing I can think is that the wonder and marvel of it eventually wears off and you start to doubt again.Ahhh, like children with toys or me with clothes. Maybe an example would be Merlin in the land of magic. In the book, he's like "wow!" when he first sees the land of magic because it's magickal and unusual, wondrous, but after awhile the novelty wears off and it doesn't seem as impressive as it did when he first laid eyes on it. Nothing has changed, but Merlin has become accustomed to it and no longer considers it amazing.See I'd probably get used to that too but I'd never tire of it. Im easily attracted by power, possibilities and wonder. Maybe in such one could find one's purpose, and a purpose would mean everything to me. Merlin did he didn't like or accept it but he found it. Then you get most other people in life who never find purpose and just sort of float through life. There goals being the most pointless and stupid things. I don't see the point but to have something there a firm thing to believe in no might or cause about it. Something I could see with my own eyes, I'd never give it up. Its not quite the same thing with the parting of the red sea, but it is the same thing of how amazement eventually leaves people's minds because that's the way people are. The miracle hasn't changed, but they've become accustomed to it and the amazement has worn off.Not just amazement though is it? I think we're like goldfish. They say to people when a loved one dies it gets easier in time. Really you just get used to them not being there. Everything just wheres off in time nothing lasts forever. We forget things, only instant shock seems to click with us. Goldfish stay in there same lil bowls floating around all day, we find new stuff move on call it boring. We're actually more pathetic than goldfish really lol. They dont go places but they dont complain. There quite happy in there lil bowls and thats cute....or maybe there always staring at me cos they want out lmao. I like goldfish. and mab or another god has more evidence for existence that jesus? Christianity is as real to some people as pagan gods are to others. And nobody should be disrespected because of their particular beliefs.I love her to bits but its just a film, just another story. I support paganism as I find it most believable. But in all I could as easily be swayed if the proof was strong enough, though it'd have to be very strong. I believe in nature, which has elements and as I believe gods, and is there. In all due to my terrible irrational fear of dying when I was younger, I accept the fact I could live and die and then slip into emptiness forever. Im not scared of dying any more, curious as to how and when. Scared something bad may happen, dying it's self and people dying around me I just accept it. But hey I get a councillor once a week because of thoughts like that. Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God. God told them if they ate from the tree they would die. Satan told them if they ate from the tree they would not die. For whatever insane reason, Eve decided to believe Satan's words over God's even though God was her creator and given her an entire garden to eat from. God had to place that tree there to prove humans have free will. They had to have the ability to disobey him or they wouldn't have had to have free will. The forbidden fruit provided that choice of free will to choose to obey or disobey. And before you start in on a tyrannical god, think of how you (hopefully) obey your parents. And hopefully you have nice, loving parents. Parents usually tell you not to do something because they're trying to protect you, not kill your fun. If they say "Don't touch that pot." It's because they know you will get burned if you do, not because they enjoy controlling you or forcing you to do something. They're giving you a choice, but its going to hurt if you refuse to heed their words.I hate that story, also God announcing himself to two people, not cool. Besides I understand that, had these been demons yeah and God turns round and says eat the apple you'll live happily, the devil says eat you'll die. Your just inclined to do the opposite out of curiousity. It may have killed the cat but cat's got 7 lives. LoL me and my parents dont have any of that never did never will.Alot of stuff happened, I live with them well sort of. In short had i never have met them I'd have been much better off. But whatever. So since the wages of disobedience(sin) is death(getting burned by the pot). God cannot overturn his own law. Even he is subject to his own laws, that's why he is considered just. So the only "loop-hole" if you can call it that, is to have a replacement sacrifice in place of humans and that is jesus. He's the sacrifice to pay for all the sins of humanity. And it is because he is part of god or son of god that he is the only one capable of paying that sacrifice.Yet it just pushes my beliefs farther away. When it comes down to it, I'd rather be athiest than Christian or any other religion. I find it hard to trust in anything as time and ourselves progress, it pushes everything further apart I thought it would get closer together unravel it's self. Maybe Im caught up in my we're in a book idea? Fairy tale that'd be cool a nice simple bloody happy ending. But I've already done the saying about what happy endings really are. So basically God could have blasted humans out of existence long ago, but he doesn't want to. We're his creations and its just like Mab hoping one day Merlin might return to her. She doesn't want to kill Merlin. He is her creation and her child. So with jesus' sacrifice, a time of probation has been purchased for humans to prove whether they were worthy of that sacrifice/reprieve by doing their best to live a good life. No one's perfect, but its the effort that counts. And it won't be just christians, many people who call themselves "christian" do not really act like it because of the harsh way they treat other cultures and religions. Many others who are not christian are very kind and patient with others. No matter how someone else treats you, you're supposed to have love and patience with everyone.And I said Mab was crazy for not bumping him off earlier, lol love and patience, so Mab would defo be in her own heaven. And me and a fair share of this planet and Vortigern are going to Hell Oh well you go to heaven for the climate and Hell for the company. We say we love stuff all the time I just use it as an expression though. Lust I believe in that, obsession yes, caring for another yes, something really enthralling, maybe it's a good word to use but real love what I'm told of love seems like a made up word from a fairy tale to me. What's your definition of love? Finally, god is trying to show just how loving and patient he is. Instead of destroying adam and eve right then and there for their disobedience because he told them very clearly that they would die if they ate of that tree, he decided to give them a second chance and figured out a way to save them from the unbreakable justice of the law.Again then he's as stupid as humans why not start again? Dont get me wrong I'd be really pissed of if that were the case but if I were God I 'd want my creation to be perfect. It's not the same like a mother/father and they're child the main word being creation. Like if a scientist made a invention but it wasn't perfect. But is it truly necessary? I understand where you're coming from because I've wondered about it myself before. I was thinking I would die of boredom if everything was all peaceful and nicey-nice crap. But look at what all that hatred causes: holocaust, wars, genocides, etc. all because people couldn't let go of their hatred. Hatred starts small, but eventually, over several decades, it grows much larger and out of control.It makes us human, Im actually terrible for that once I gather a grudge I dont let it go. The emotion of hate is powerful I like it, it has proper reason to it and I can understand it. Can it be taken too far? Yes, and that repulses me. I don't actually think heaven will be boring either just because there's no hatred or fighting. You can still have "challenging" without animosity. If you're playing a game with your friends, you're eager to win as always, but you don't hate them if they happen to win because their your friends and you like them. At the end of the game, no feels upset or miserable that they lost because everyone liked each other. And the game was still challenging and fun.I wouldn't know I always cheat and always prosper When I didn't I did got pissed off with people. Example if your playing the play station you can either get better at it or fuck up, so myself I chuck stuff at the tv and shout at it in anger. So I don't think fighting or hatred is necessary to continue to find things exciting or challenging. I think we have trouble imagining a world of love as interesting because, of course, we've never experienced such a world and its therefore a really abstract concept to us.It's not just that it wouldn't be exciting. What would the point be? What's the point of defeating something if it's not bad. Where's the point in the victory. This situation would need to occur for me to decide on that but tbh I think Im set in my ways to much. Im used to it. But one day, it could easily be here. you never know.You planning on dawning tights, a bow and arrow and feathered cap and going around saving people? Just to cheer lil me up? awwww your such a sweety. ;D hey you know he didn't do it on purpose! Mab tricked him into it.Mab's gorgeous I cut out her bad points, besides that was never proven either Have you seen Mists of Avalon? -great movie In that movie, both morgan and arthur were tricked into lying with each other.No, nor Matrix, nor apparently any other bloody film you've watched lmao. If she just did the voice alone, I'd probably faint from happiness.Agreed, agreed, I do love her rasping Though a lot of people...ok like everyone else I know hates it and says it does there head in. Its a movie, movies aren't complicated.I beg to differ, everything is complicated to me hehe Im just one of those people. As Im often told I was born into the wrong time and the wrong family. All you have to do is watch them. Doesn't require any personal imagination like books do.I found the parts of Underworld I saw complicated. ;D lmao! I love all of that and I think its an accurate description.Ha! Really I wasn't 100% on any of it I'm glad I convinced one of us. I suppose I could have replied a lot worse than what I did tee hee. Yay you make her sound so cool! But then she already is!It's one of my favo things to do , and I know she is. lol yes there is a certain childish enjoyment in appearing behind people and making them turn around. I don't know how much anime you've watched, but its also many times a common trait in anime. Just to prove how fast the characters are or distinguish their playfulness.I know hehe but because I still do this today not because I watched anything lmao Im such a big kid. I love shouting BOO! anime....me.....watched...... ....... ....... uh..... none ever -- I got that Elissa stuff from the book.Thy mystical story book more elusive than Frik's tales. It goes into more detail on merlin's conception. Mab chose Elissa to strike against christianity. Though I don't exactly know how that works. Elissa was this random person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but it didn't ruin anybody's day that she was pregnant so I don't know how Mab counts that as a "strike" against christianity.Yeah, you've got me at that one to that actually makes no sense to me in the slightest. I might have had half a clue had she been royal but her own people would have probably then killed the woman in question. I think she should have chosen a pagan or at least an aristocrat cause that would have made more sense.HA! I just said that above without reading what you just said we're so insync. hehehehahahahaha, actually I just had a thought she could have smoked spliff during Merlin to help her relax Im just like gazillion year to late in coming up with that though so I'll just back away slowly. Maybe we can base this on her other two aspects, maiden and mother. Like you said about the sex, that would be compatible with the maiden aspect, young and blossoming, and maybe she was being a mother,leader,goddess,whatever to her people. I think I remember something from the book saying that a king was never chosen without her approval first. The king was deeply tied to the land and ruled with the approved backing of the gods. What do human royalty do when there are no wars?Your triple goddess thingy explains an awful lot of Mab related issues dont it? :L Now what do human royality do when there are no wars?.....is this a trick question. I dont even know what human royality do when we have wars or what human royality actually do to be honest. Omfg you must think Im really fucking thick lmao ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D also, I don't know if you noticed, but I'm the one writing the Mab Pre ;D-history fanfic. But I'm glad you didn't refer to it in the answering my question.Ooooooooooooh yeah soooo you are, yet another example of my suckish memory. I have no idea when Frik came to work for her or if she ever had any other P.A.Wonder if she ever had a chick.. No he was not always afraid. I don't have the books with me, but I think Frik said that he had forgotten when he first met Mab because it was so long ago. And he said that they used to be more of a team and plotted things together and she even occasionally used to listen to his advice. When things started to go wrong, she started to get more totalitarian with him.Awwwwwwwwww really thats sooooo sweet I didn't know that. Wow, so do you think it was harder for Frik or Merlin in the end? Obviously none cared enough to help her but they couldn't have felt nothing. Frik had been with her for as long as we and he knows and Merlin was her son. Who did Mab's departure hit hardest? How did everyone scratch that, how did the likes of Ambrosia live so long? I thought we all died young back in the day? -- I'm leaving for Ireland wednesday and I wont be back til sunday night. so I won't have internet during that time.Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Just tryna make me post a lil longer, have fun
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 28, 2010 7:10:31 GMT
I bet the Germans wrote there own version where they won the war and cos of the language barrier no one understands.very true. They don't really lie though, they just present the truth in a different fashion. What are they supposed to do? teach their children: "you're descended from evil nazi rarrgh! be ashamed!" No, its going to be more like "this was a very dark of history we hope is never repeated and here's the reasons why it happened" Like they're not excusing what happened but at the same time they are because they don't want to feel like their cultures or country is evil or anything. The japanese do the same thing about their time in WWII. The focus on the atomic bomb a lot. I think there's an symbolic atomic bomb in almost every anime I've ever seen. Something explodes, not a bomb, but it makes the distinct mushroom cloud of an atomic explosion and you know what they're implying and remembering. The song is called wonderful, I alas have never gotten to see Wicked All the songs are completely fabulous though. My fave being No one Mourns the Wicked.ahh but you're so close to the west end! compared to me who is usually on the other side of the ocean. The only thing stopping me now is money. I'm a poor college student and I need to conserve cash. Every time I buy something over here its almost twice as expensive in my own money. The pound and the euro is much stronger than the dollar. The British economy is making a fortune off me or at least it feels like it. lol I hate that story, also God announcing himself to two people, not cool. Besides I understand that, had these been demons yeah and God turns round and says eat the apple you'll live happily, the devil says eat you'll die. Your just inclined to do the opposite out of curiousity. It may have killed the cat but cat's got 7 lives. LoL me and my parents dont have any of that never did never will.Alot of stuff happened, I live with them well sort of. In short had i never have met them I'd have been much better off. But whatever.yeah kinda screws things up when you don't have parents you can count on. But if you had any other role model you looked up to and could trust, maybe if mab were real, you would want to please her and obey her right? if she told you can eat anything you want, but not a particular apple tree because you'll die, wouldn't you believe her? for all you know those apples are poisoned and that's why she's telling you not to eat them. then this random stranger comes along tells you basically that mab lied and that you should eat the apple. Who are you going to believe? And me and a fair share of this planet and Vortigern are going to Hellit says in the bible most people won't make it and looking around you can see why. i dont even know if I'll make it because I'm far from perfect and nothing is guaranteed. The only thing you can do is do your best and hope for the best. but real love what I'm told of love seems like a made up word from a fairy tale to me. What's your definition of love? ...difficult question of course. Well, luckily I've had a great mom that even though we argue plenty, I've always been able to trust her and she's always been very supportive. No matter our disagreements, I know she loves me. She's taken care of me all my life, protected me, clothed me, spoiled me rotten. *grin* otherwise why would I be in england? I know that I can trust her because she would never do anything to harm me, she's got my best interests at heart. And even though I don't obey her as much as I should, because I'm a spoiled brat, I know she asks things of me that I should do. She's not unfair, Im just a brat. Asking a person to clean up their room or please help carry in the groceries is not a bad request. And I know I can tell her almost anything and its ok because I can trust her. So I think love is something unconditional, no matter what happens or what that person does you will still love them. I think its also a huge trust issue. You know you can trust that person beyond any doubt because they only wish you the best. They value you. They care if you exist. It would upset them if you didn't exist. You matter to them. Possibly what Mab was really trying to find was love and a reason to exist. If no one loves you or cares that you exist then there's no point to your existence and you fade away. If someone loves you it means that want you, need you to exist. Love is...so dangerous if you trust the wrong person, but its also one of the greatest things if you can find the right person. Because you feel wanted and needed in this world and safe and trusted. And that's the end of that gooey-ness, I'm not a highly emotionally expressive person despite my feelings on the matter. Again then he's as stupid as humans why not start again? Dont get me wrong I'd be really pissed of if that were the case but if I were God I 'd want my creation to be perfect. It's not the same like a mother/father and they're child the main word being creation. Like if a scientist made a invention but it wasn't perfect. hehehe very good question and I've heard a pastor say it before. That if he had been god he wouldn't have messed with it and just started over again. God sorta of did reset the earth when he flooded the earth and only let noah and his family live. But after that he promised he wouldn't reset things ever again. But we're not just inanimate created objects. We're intelligent, free-thinking individuals which makes us worth far more. Im actually terrible for that once I gather a grudge I dont let it go. The emotion of hate is powerful I like it, it has proper reason to it and I can understand itbut does it make you feel better? like it can give you a sense of righteous anger or vindication but mostly its an upsetting emotion. when you're busy loathing a person, you're usually not very happy. you're dejected and miserable. of course you will feel anger many times because it is what makes us human, but to hang onto it and carry it around, you're only hurting yourself more than anyone else. so myself I chuck stuff at the tv and shout at it in anger.that sounds expensive... It's not just that it wouldn't be exciting. What would the point be? What's the point of defeating something if it's not bad. Where's the point in the victory. This situation would need to occur for me to decide on that but tbh I think Im set in my ways to much. Im used to it. why is everyone obsessed with dominating someone else? I do it too, but why can't we live without a desire to "possess, own, or destroy"? You planning on dawning tights, a bow and arrow and feathered cap and going around saving people? what is that, a robin hood reference? no way! Mab's gorgeous I cut out her bad points, besides that was never proven eitherits as provable as uther's lust for igraine. When you like someone, you only ever notice their good points No, nor Matrix, nor apparently any other bloody film you've watched lmao.The entire movie of mists of avalon is usually on youtube so I think you can find it there. I beg to differ, everything is complicated to me hehe Im just one of those people. As Im often told I was born into the wrong time and the wrong family.lol I just meant with books you have to use your own imagination to picture what things might have looked like, but with movies, they show you the images so you don't have to do any imagining. but movies are great and complicated too. I love underworld! Your triple goddess thingy explains an awful lot of Mab related issues dont it? :L Now what do human royality do when there are no wars?.....is this a trick question. I dont even know what human royality do when we have wars or what human royality actually do to be honestI mean like human royalty for that time period. What do you think they would be doing? Who did Mab's departure hit hardest?hmmm, well see Frik knew her a long time, but since the Roman invasion he had also been mistreated by her. That's a long time to be mistreated so it probably wiped out a lot of the good stuff that happened beforehand. Like if I didn't think frik would never forgive mab because of morgan, I would say frik it would hit more just because he knew her more. merlin didn't have much a relationship with her. he was more just sorry and sick of war in general because he likes playing pacifist. How did everyone scratch that, how did the likes of Ambrosia live so long? I thought we all died young back in the day?no kidding. ambrosia was a healthy witch? but that doesn't explain anyone else. Britain's finest actors are all old?
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 28, 2010 14:50:53 GMT
very true. They don't really lie though, they just present the truth in a different fashion. What are they supposed to do? teach their children: "you're descended from evil nazi rarrgh! be ashamed!" No, its going to be more like "this was a very dark of history we hope is never repeated and here's the reasons why it happened" Like they're not excusing what happened but at the same time they are because they don't want to feel like their cultures or country is evil or anything. The japanese do the same thing about their time in WWII. The focus on the atomic bomb a lot. I think there's an symbolic atomic bomb in almost every anime I've ever seen. Something explodes, not a bomb, but it makes the distinct mushroom cloud of an atomic explosion and you know what they're implying and remembering.Ha! I didn't think they really did that wow and I dissed her soooo much for saying that they did. Well she wasn't completely correct so lets just stick with Im right she's wrong. ;D Atomic bomb Japan, words which I dont see connection with lol I dont recall learning anything about that. And I dont watch anime. ahh but you're so close to the west end! compared to me who is usually on the other side of the ocean.lol yeah compared to you, but Im still nowhere near London. The only thing stopping me now is money. I'm a poor college student and I need to conserve cash. Every time I buy something over here its almost twice as expensive in my own money. The pound and the euro is much stronger than the dollar. The British economy is making a fortune off me or at least it feels like it. lolLoL another reason why I cant go I gots no pennies, but thats interesting money info I didnt know before hehe. yeah kinda screws things up when you don't have parents you can count on. But if you had any other role model you looked up to and could trust, maybe if mab were real, you would want to please her and obey her right? if she told you can eat anything you want, but not a particular apple tree because you'll die, wouldn't you believe her? for all you know those apples are poisoned and that's why she's telling you not to eat them. then this random stranger comes along tells you basically that mab lied and that you should eat the apple. Who are you going to believe?Ok yeah you got me there, thing is though I think there's a difference between what I'd do for Mab, and anyone else. She's sort like my obsession lol. There isn't a draw in which I wouldnt let her win. ;D it says in the bible most people won't make it and looking around you can see why. i dont even know if I'll make it because I'm far from perfect and nothing is guaranteed. The only thing you can do is do your best and hope for the best.So we have to be t total perfect if we got any chance of going to this divine place? Also what would that mean for someone who is gay/lesbian/bi/tran/whatever else, say they're patient and loving, they still go to hell? ...difficult question of course. Well, luckily I've had a great mom that even though we argue plenty, I've always been able to trust her and she's always been very supportive. No matter our disagreements, I know she loves me. She's taken care of me all my life, protected me, clothed me, spoiled me rotten. *grin* otherwise why would I be in england?LOL don't get me wrong Im a spoiled brat to no denying it. Thing is they couldn't give a fuck it's just to play me off against the other. Or when ever they need me to hold up the family name in some way or other. It's pathetic. See my mum she's got a sister and two brothers she's the one who stayed closest to home the most. And the only one to have a kid who grew up round the family. So my dad comes over every Christmas to try and buy me back. My mum constantly tells me how evil and bad my dad and step dad are. As if I don't fucking know. And that doesn't break the ice. I know that I can trust her because she would never do anything to harm me, she's got my best interests at heart. And even though I don't obey her as much as I should, because I'm a spoiled brat, I know she asks things of me that I should do. She's not unfair, Im just a brat. Asking a person to clean up their room or please help carry in the groceries is not a bad request.Yeah see I'd be quite happy being told what to do if it were only as simple as that. Just simple, when I was lil, this is sounds pathetic, but I always wanted a family night where me and my family can sit on the couch share a pizza and watch a movie. I know it's lame, just something I never got to do. And I know I can tell her almost anything and its ok because I can trust her.Your a very lucky chick. So I think love is something unconditional, no matter what happens or what that person does you will still love them. I think its also a huge trust issue. You know you can trust that person beyond any doubt because they only wish you the best. They value you. They care if you exist. It would upset them if you didn't exist. You matter to them.That does sound like something from a fairytale after all haha. If that's the only magick in the bloody world we're all fucked. ;D Possibly what Mab was really trying to find was love and a reason to exist. If no one loves you or cares that you exist then there's no point to your existence and you fade away. If someone loves you it means that want you, need you to exist.Didn't Mordred do that for her? Also what about the reast of the creatures in her kingdom and Frik, well before she started "domestic abuse" routines and of course killed Morgan. Love is...so dangerous if you trust the wrong person, but its also one of the greatest things if you can find the right person. Because you feel wanted and needed in this world and safe and trusted.And say if you didn't believe in love, what would that mean? You dont exist? Well that you'd be better not existing in such a case.) in theory And that's the end of that gooey-ness, I'm not a highly emotionally expressive person despite my feelings on the matter. LoL, my idea of love is based on what I see in movies, or tv programs. hehehe very good question and I've heard a pastor say it before. That if he had been god he wouldn't have messed with it and just started over again. God sorta of did reset the earth when he flooded the earth and only let noah and his family live. But after that he promised he wouldn't reset things ever again.But I thought the world was going to blow up and that was the reason lol. But we're not just inanimate created objects. We're intelligent, free-thinking individuals which makes us worth far more.Why can I see people who are in Ibiza floating by in my head lmao. but does it make you feel better? like it can give you a sense of righteous anger or vindication but mostly its an upsetting emotionGives me something else to feel from nothing, and I know what Im doing because I know what Im angry at and I know why. If we didnt have such contrevesy we would more or less all the same wouldn't we. Like going back to the religion thing, wouldn't that mean we'd all find the same religion sort of, to be content with. when you're busy loathing a person, you're usually not very happy. you're dejected and miserable. of course you will feel anger many times because it is what makes us human, but to hang onto it and carry it around, you're only hurting yourself more than anyone else.Not entirely unlike Mab, especially when she says, "With evil all around me I can do nothing but evil, to survive." That Id be able to relate to it comes naturally. I grew up in a family where our favo thing to do is argue and fall out. But if someone outside the family pisses one of us of we all go against said person. Times dont really move on that much. that sounds expensive...I've never broke it yet one time in a rage I ran at it tripped over a shoe and head butted it why is everyone obsessed with dominating someone else? I do it too, but why can't we live without a desire to "possess, own, or destroy"?Because what else do we have to do in life, it's good old fashioned power struggle of who's on top. It's competitive streak we all secretly have in hidden areas, me for example not competitive in sports at all I hate them. Fashion however I go out of my way to be the centre of attention in the room. what is that, a robin hood reference? no way!Sort of it got mixed with a super hero and Peter Pan. Awwww its as provable as uther's lust for igraine. When you like someone, you only ever notice their good points Aint that the truth lmao. The entire movie of mists of avalon is usually on youtube so I think you can find it there.Is it confusing? lol I just meant with books you have to use your own imagination to picture what things might have looked like, but with movies, they show you the images so you don't have to do any imagining. but movies are great and complicated too. I love underworld!Imagination, sponge bob taught me how to use my imagination propahly hehe got a love that yellow spongey dude. My mate loves Underoworld I've yet to see the full thing. I mean like human royalty for that time period. What do you think they would be doing?In films they wear fancy clothes, and...walk places, sometimes. hmmm, well see Frik knew her a long time, but since the Roman invasion he had also been mistreated by her. That's a long time to be mistreated so it probably wiped out a lot of the good stuff that happened beforehand. Like if I didn't think frik would never forgive mab because of morgan, I would say frik it would hit more just because he knew her more. merlin didn't have much a relationship with her. he was more just sorry and sick of war in general because he likes playing pacifist.Fair enough, but I think had I been in there shoes to have known someone so long and have them just fade away. In Frik's case he was her right hand, he probably was closer to her than anyone else not that she'd admit it. He probably understood Mab to some extent but he was obviously not going to be happy at her being a royal bitch to him just because he was having a bad day. As for Merlin, end of the day all I can say is that she was more or less his mother. I've said about my relationship with mamma dearest but if she were to die I'd show little emotion like Merlin but Im sure it would affect me on a level probably a strong one. no kidding. ambrosia was a healthy witch? but that doesn't explain anyone else.Witches live longer? Coool lol, it's really odd Merlin and Frik are exceptions, Arthur and Mordred finished themselves of and Uther went loopy. Everyone died wrong in this freakin movie lol in Mab's case she shouldn't have died at all. Well she technically didnt. --- Why didnt we re make and call it Mab? Seriously it would make sense due to the amount of witches there are today, plus even non witches believe in her religion. Just cos that would mean Mab would win? And god forbid we get a decent happy ending (one that would suit me)
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