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Post by Libitine on Jan 15, 2008 11:10:50 GMT
Aw really?
Well if presented with either Morgan/Frik or Morgan/Arthur I bet you would pick Morgan/Arthur.
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Post by himiko on Jan 15, 2008 22:09:30 GMT
I'd pick MabMordred, to be fair....
*is not an obsessive*
*honest*
WHY DO YOU ALL STARE AT ME IN THAT DISBELIEVING MANNER?
*wails*
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Post by Libitine on Jan 16, 2008 0:13:27 GMT
I'd pick MabMordred, to be fair.... *is not an obsessive* *honest* WHY DO YOU ALL STARE AT ME IN THAT DISBELIEVING MANNER? *wails* LOL. I knew you would say that . . . AND YOU ARE OBSESSED! *shines really big flashlight in your face* ADMIT IT!
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Post by himiko on Jan 16, 2008 0:21:27 GMT
Ummm... OK, maybe a little...
In an effort to be a little less obsessive, I shall consider the original question.
Depends on my mood- I can take or leave either pairing as a rule, and I do prefer Frik to Arthur. Frik/Morgan is more sweet, in an odd way, whereas Morgan/Arthur is more "Muahahahaha, she pwned him!" type thing.
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Post by Libitine on Jan 16, 2008 0:24:00 GMT
Ummm... OK, maybe a little... In an effort to be a little less obsessive, I shall consider the original question. Depends on my mood- I can take or leave either pairing as a rule, and I do prefer Frik to Arthur. Frik/Morgan is more sweet, in an odd way, whereas Morgan/Arthur is more "Muahahahaha, she pwned him!" type thing. Exactly why I like Arthur/Morgan better. Frik is gross.
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Post by himiko on Jan 16, 2008 0:33:20 GMT
I'm not really a reliable judge, but he's not that bad looking when he's disguised as the swordsman. Yeah, normal Frik is not going to win any awards for looks, but there we go.
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Post by Libitine on Jan 16, 2008 0:33:51 GMT
I just kind of meant in general.
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Accolon
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Post by Accolon on Apr 11, 2008 23:04:18 GMT
The first two times I saw Merlin I missed the "unworthy" scene. (The first time I only caught the end of the show on TV, the second time was with the heavily cut-down VCR version of the movie). Without that scene I didn't realize she had a "airhead" side until I saw the full proper movie on DVD. So if you discount that one time she acts like she has forgotten what unworthy means, she's otherwise 95% a driven, focused, intelligent woman.
So I prefer to reinterpret that scene as Morgan "faking it" in order to avoid Mab's wrath. It would of been a bad idea to give the "wrong answer" to that question. I'm not quite sure what the safe, honest answer would of been...
I just think about that scene when Merlin comes to see Morgan and baby Mordred and he tries to moralize and patronize her, and Morgan TOTALLY PWNS Merlin. I mean, geeze dude, you totally got served.
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Post by himiko on Apr 12, 2008 0:52:16 GMT
The first two times I saw Merlin I missed the "unworthy" scene. (The first time I only caught the end of the show on TV, the second time was with the heavily cut-down VCR version of the movie). Without that scene I didn't realize she had a "airhead" side until I saw the full proper movie on DVD. So if you discount that one time she acts like she has forgotten what unworthy means, she's otherwise 95% a driven, focused, intelligent woman. So I prefer to reinterpret that scene as Morgan "faking it" in order to avoid Mab's wrath. It would of been a bad idea to give the "wrong answer" to that question. I'm not quite sure what the safe, honest answer would of been... I just think about that scene when Merlin comes to see Morgan and baby Mordred and he tries to moralize and patronize her, and Morgan TOTALLY PWNS Merlin. I mean, geeze dude, you totally got served. Hmmm, I can see what you mean, cutting out that scene certainly lessens the "airhead" impression greatly. I guess that's one of the faults of Merlin- although Morgan was a fairly major character, she didn't have a whole lot of screentime, a problem that plagues a fair few of the characters. LOL, I do like that scene myself. He really deserved what he got from her. The idea that he can hold the moral high ground over Morgan despite what he did to her family is a particularly annoying trait of his character, but I guess I'd better leave that discussion for the Merlin sub board.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 12, 2008 4:08:04 GMT
Indeed, the scene she had with Merlin was probably one of my favourite Morgan scenes (if not the favourite). She did leave him rather speechless and at a loss for arguments, and that's simply because - let's face it - she was absolutely right about everything she said. So no wonder he got "pwned."
As for her appearing somewhat dumbed down at one point, that might be just a reflection of her becoming more and more absorbed with herself, with her looks etc and paying less attention to most other things. It's interesting here the way she could see everything quite clearly when she wasn't beautiful and had that sty over her eye (eg.: recognizing Uther immediately), as opposed to her becoming all she'd ever wanted appearance-wise, but losing some insight she'd initially had.
Still, I don't think she was ever afraid of Mab (maybe afraid of what Mab might do to Frik in a fit of temper, at most - she did look rather worried for him when he flew into the wall). It seems to me they were generally avoiding each other, and the first time they spoke during the film, it was that ugly argument.
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Accolon
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Post by Accolon on Apr 13, 2008 20:37:38 GMT
Just another theory, maybe Mab kept Morgan under a constant barrage of enchantments and "dumbing" spells. This would be consistent with Mab learning her lessons from the "mistake" of Ambrosia and Merlin. Mab allowed Ambrosia too much free-will and freedom-of-thought, which is maybe something she rectified with Morgan.
Of course Mab's magic can't create or suppress love, and Morgan loved Mordred, so she was able to snap out of the mind-control spells at the end. Sadly, Morgan failed to learn that absolute, unconditional obedience is required with regards to Queen Mab. All hail Queen Mab!
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Post by Libitine on Apr 13, 2008 20:43:05 GMT
Just another theory, maybe Mab kept Morgan under a constant barrage of enchantments and "dumbing" spells. This would be consistent with Mab learning her lessons from the "mistake" of Ambrosia and Merlin. Mab allowed Ambrosia too much free-will and freedom-of-thought, which is maybe something she rectified with Morgan. Of course Mab's magic can't create or suppress love, and Morgan loved Mordred, so she was able to snap out of the mind-control spells at the end. Sadly, Morgan failed to learn that absolute, unconditional obedience is required with regards to Queen Mab. All hail Queen Mab! Maybe Mab did. Or maybe the dumb was an act for Mab and Frik to make them think she wasn't catching on because she obviously wasn't afraid of Merlins eeing how smart she must have been and she certainly wasn't acting dumb right before she 'fell'. Maybe she just didn't want Mab to have to keep the extra eye on her therefore acting dumb. Did she love Mordred? Or did she love the fact that Mab and Frik came along with Mordred so she could get the access to magic and actual company and power?
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Post by himiko on Apr 13, 2008 23:04:58 GMT
Did she love Mordred? Or did she love the fact that Mab and Frik came along with Mordred so she could get the access to magic and actual company and power? Hmmm, it's an interesting question. She was playing with kiddie Mordred, and she seemed fond of him, but whenever Frik was around, it was him Morgan paid attention to, quite happily. I guess you could make the argument that it was because she was trying to keep out of the path of direct confrontation with Mab, though. Also, the novelisation notes in the relationship between Mordred and Morgan in Mordred's later years that Morgan is jealous of all the gifts and attention that Mordred receives from Mab, and that "she sniped at him, and he criticised her", so they don't seem to have been fond of each other at that stage, at least. So, my outlook tends to be that she loves him in her way, but she isn't especially close to him, or fond of him, and would rather spend her time with Frik.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 14, 2008 8:56:41 GMT
Good question, Libitine. I think she did love him, because he was her son, after all, and she did look after him when he was young. Of course, he was also Arthur’s son, but I doubt this was the reason why they did not get on at all. Maybe Mordred was tired of seeing her in Frik’s company all the time, so that he only got any attention from her when he started to cause trouble. And maybe Morgan was bothered by the fact that he would ony listen to her after he was sure that was what his Auntie Mab wanted him to do – so, in a way, Morgan was only trying to prove her aithority as his mother.
Needless to say, all this served to make Mordred care for her less and less by the day, but I believe she did love him, and did not start arguing with Mab only to annoy her, but because she was genuinely worried for him.
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Post by Libitine on Apr 15, 2008 0:29:05 GMT
Hmm. Perhaps you are right.
You might (and I said 'might') compare the love Morgan has for Mordred ot the love Mab has for Merlin (dude. what is with all the 'M's. Jeeze. *ded*). She loves him in her way but only truly tolerates him because of what he can do for her and ultimately wants to spend extra time with Frik.
(jk about that last part w/ Mab/Frik. hehe. Just did that to watch you squirm.)
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