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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 15, 2008 1:46:24 GMT
LOL! I'm afraid I only stared blankly at it initially, really worried that I was too tired to get the point.
As for the comparison, I see where you're coming from, but it's still very different in Mab's case, because she created Merlin. I don't know if there's anything that can explain what that means, really.
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Post by Mab's Familiar on Apr 15, 2008 5:54:03 GMT
I don't know if there is much difference between the two. The only difference I see is Mab not baring Merlin for nine months in her womb. But that's where the difference ends, imo.
Mab brought Merlin to the world for a certain perpose. And Morgan brought Mordred to the world for a certain perpose.
They both see their creations as tools to achieve something, but also love them in their own way.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 15, 2008 6:00:37 GMT
Well, that's the thing - Merlin was not her son in the "classical" sense of the word, he was her creation. She literally made him out of nothing (not to mention that creating a life was no ordinary spell either), so that is why I think that Mab would care much more for him, and see him as not only a tool, as an experiment, as a project, but as much more than that (and I hope I've managed to explain what I mean).
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Post by Mab's Familiar on Apr 15, 2008 6:15:42 GMT
Yeah I can see what you mean. She saw him as her masterpiece - maybe a work of art (her "He's magnificent!" cry should prove that) am I right?
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 15, 2008 6:20:51 GMT
Awwwwwwww!
You're still reading my mind *and* managing to be coherent at the same time xd
Yes, that's what I meant - he was her greatest work, and she was proud of it/him, and almost fascinated. And, obviously, she cared about/loved her creation. (Imagine the disappointment... *grumble*)
EDIT: Also, how come we're talking about Mab and Merlin in the Morgan thread? xd
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Post by Mab's Familiar on Apr 15, 2008 7:36:49 GMT
Argh! Tell me about it. The goddamn git didn't give her even one chance... *stops self from begining to rant for the zelionth time about how unfair Merlin was towards Mab*
Good question XD I guess we should try get back on topic.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 15, 2008 7:39:24 GMT
Good idea, my dear. The topic being... *tries to remember* ...what you generally think of Morgan, or if she loved her son, right? *sweat drop*
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Post by Mab's Familiar on Apr 15, 2008 7:46:56 GMT
As far as I remember - yeah. *thinks what to say about Morgan* Mind: *is blank*
As far as whether Morgan loved or didn't love her son. Like I said, I think she saw him as a tool to get what she wanted. And she loved him for that. But it wasn't the normal parental love, for what parent will allow to have a spell cast on their child so that they will grow faster and have their life shortened by half?
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 15, 2008 7:55:27 GMT
Hm, I think that she was somewhat blinded by her greed for power and revenge. But on the other hand, her attitude towards the Old Ways - and Mab in particular - was more than positive, initially. Perhaps she didn't actually consider all the aspects that would be be involved, or if she did, she must have seen it all as being acceptable and worth it in the end - Mordred would be king, he would have a good life (what good would a longer, but unhappier life be?), she would get her revenge on Arthur and also have the power she craved. It does sound rather good in theory, doesn't it?
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Post by Mab's Familiar on Apr 15, 2008 8:02:41 GMT
Yes, but her attitude towards the old ways was possitive, becuase they gave her all she wanted - beauty and a promise for a throne later on. She wasn't loyal to the old ways out of selfless motives. And she gave birth to a son to get her hands on the throne and not the other way around.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 15, 2008 8:05:46 GMT
Ye-ah... That's a good point. But I still can't believe she wouldn't care about him (in her own way, admittedly), even though many of her actions were driven by greed and selfishness (including the reason she had him, to begin with).
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Post by Accolon on Apr 15, 2008 15:31:29 GMT
Well, the reason I assume Morgan loved Mordred was because she was willing to confront/provoke Mab when Mab was taking Modred away. Defying Mab is a PROFOUNDLY STUPID move. So how can I interpret Morgan's action in a favorable way? Assume she "truly loved" Mordred which caused her to act recklessly/desperately.
The alternative is Mordred was just a tool of Morgan for power, that was being taken away from her, so she was trying to get him back to keep her power. However, defying Mab is, as noted above, a PROFOUNDLY STUPID thing to do if your goal is to gain power/stay alive/do anything.
So to answer the original question of the thread, I probably am biased in favor of Morgan, because my gut instinct is to interpret her actions in the most favorable way possible.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 16, 2008 15:20:14 GMT
I would say she probably wanted some... recognition, when she provoked Mab. She wasn't reluctant about letting him go per se (she knew this would happen at some point - this had been the idea all along), but she just didn't like being ignored. At some point, the idea of Mordred getting her the throne changed into Mordred getting the throne in order to reinstate the Old Ways, and she was left out completely, in the end.
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Post by Libitine on Apr 19, 2008 12:41:02 GMT
I would say she probably wanted some... recognition, when she provoked Mab. She wasn't reluctant about letting him go per se (she knew this would happen at some point - this had been the idea all along), but she just didn't like being ignored. At some point, the idea of Mordred getting her the throne changed into Mordred getting the throne in order to reinstate the Old Ways, and she was left out completely, in the end. I would say Morgan doted upon Mordred in the begining when he was cute and little and not free-thinking. (You know that whole scene with Merlin where she does truly believe she will be Queen one way or another.) But I think when he got older and grew and got stronger and took more liking to Mab, she changed a bit, and only used him as her wedge for the throne. Furthermore, her 'standing up' to Mab was probably only in fear of what might happen to her if Mordred was taken away and became king without anyone thinking of her. She would be left alone again.
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Post by Lane of Magic on Apr 19, 2008 14:01:32 GMT
Actually, she wouldn’t have been left alone, she would have been left with Frik. I think what truly troubled/bothered her was the idea that this whole “get the throne” thing was not about her as much as it used to be in the beginning.
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