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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 24, 2011 20:44:47 GMT
I suggest marriage counseling. lmao
This has left me with a very amusing image in my head of those two attending marriage counselling. Mostly of Merlin looking progressively more worried and edging his chair away from Nimue as she talks about how he left her alone, and how she felt like his mother
even bigger lmao!
1) Maybe Nimue is being affected by Mab's presence/ Mab is using her magic to plant the imagery into Nimue's mind, in an attempt to persuade her to agree to the bargain- because its Mab doing the planting, the imagery is more Pagan than you'd expect from Nimue. oooo I love this idea! It makes sense. Mab is using an image she would understand.
4) that paganism is the true religion, the real religion. Something like that. Its a little fuzzy. yes the passage is very confusing as to what it truly means. I think sometimes it comes off that the pagan religion is the real religion since its written mainly from Merlin's point of view and he is pagan.
My issue with the first one, is that Mab seems a little distracted at the time of the passage- Nimue notes that she looks remorseful, presumably over giving up on Merlin and sending him away forever. I always love your theories and supreme abilities of observation. I'm really pulling at straws here, but maybe the thoughts in Nimue's head happened because of Mab's distraction. Mab wasn't guarding her emotions as well as normal and they were leaking out and influencing the immediate area.
Perhaps Nimue is somehow aware of Pagan beliefs? Either Merlin told her some stuff or she hasn't been at the monastery her entire life and might have had some exposure to its ideas. Britain is in a transition-period between the old and the new so there would have been many newly-converted-christians who were aware of pagan beliefs because until recently they were pagan themselves.
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Sept 26, 2011 6:04:44 GMT
Mab is using her magic to plant the imagery into Nimue's mind I adore this theory! Mab should have brainwashed Nimue during Merlin's absence to serve the Old Ways. It is most probable that Merlin's pagan thinking has rubbed off on her, as her christian ways rubbed off on him. Even then the passage is still odd. Thanks for joining me in confusion maybe the thoughts in Nimue's head happened because of Mab's distraction. Mab wasn't guarding her emotions as well as normal and they were leaking out and influencing the immediate area. That's just aaaw
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 26, 2011 20:10:04 GMT
In the book it is emphasized that she wants what is best for Merlin. While in the film all I hear is 'me,me,me'. 'I want to stay in the monastry, I want to be beautiful, I want Merlin, I want to be whole, I want a golden ticket...'
*giggles* how perfectly Nimue. I suppose the character has good points somewhere, but mostly she gets on my nerves. Maybe it's the actress, maybe Christian, maybe the fact she loves the person who destroys Mab. I just automatically dislike her. However, had our Merlin been turned into a tv series and her character had progressed I reckon I may have liked her a little. Eventually.
This has left me with a very amusing image in my head of those two attending marriage counselling. Mostly of Merlin looking progressively more worried and edging his chair away from Nimue as she talks about how he left her alone, and how she felt like his mother XD Weirdest thing happened I just had a vision of that too but Mab was the counsellor.....
4) I don't know much about James Mallory's religious views (for much, read anything), but possibly this passage is going beyond the characters and indicating that Nimue is swept up in some kind of pagan power- i.e. that paganism is the true religion, the real religion. Something like that. Its a little fuzzy.
5) Nimue's crazy.
Mab is using her magic to plant the imagery into Nimue's mind I adore this theory! Mab should have brainwashed Nimue during Merlin's absence to serve the Old Ways.
Me likes this idea.
maybe the thoughts in Nimue's head happened because of Mab's distraction. Mab wasn't guarding her emotions as well as normal and they were leaking out and influencing the immediate area. That's just aaaw agreed
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 27, 2011 0:18:49 GMT
Weirdest thing happened I just had a vision of that too but Mab was the counsellor..... hehehe and what in the world would counsellor Mab say?
I just had a really beautiful dream about Mab and Merlin! In the dream, Merlin looked more like Mab, he had her hair color and he was dressed more like a wealthy prince. He was arguing with her saying she just didn't understand and she countered that humans don't understand anything, they miss the big picture because they're human. For some reason I was there too and agreed with her (in a christian way lol), I said something like: of course we don't understand that's why God has to forgive us because the way we are now our eyes and understanding are limited and veiled. We are a fallen race.
Mostly the entire dream was really beautiful and sad, but I felt some hope at the end. That I was basically saying to Mab we would eventually understand once we were no longer separated from God and joined him in heaven.
Weird dream huh? I almost combined two deities in a strange way. But it was definitely a very wonderful dream, I liked seeing Merlin look more like her. He doesn't look like her at all in the movies. And I love the fact that Mab was there and I was able to say something to her.
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Sept 27, 2011 12:22:15 GMT
Counsellor Mab: Both of you, come to the dark side and you can be together forever/ have all the time to talk things out. I'll throw in a romantic forest with hut designed cave, just because I'm such a caring mother. wow Arwen I want your dream Congratulations for reconciling christianity and Mab! A more Mabish Merlin would be nice.
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 27, 2011 18:31:07 GMT
Counsellor Mab: Both of you, come to the dark side and you can be together forever/ have all the time to talk things out. I'll throw in a romantic forest with hut designed cave, just because I'm such a caring mother.hehehe ..edging his chair away from Nimue as she talks about how he left her alone, and how she felt like his mother XDHowever, wouldn't Mab have a problem with Nimue claiming to be his mother? "I'm his mother!"~Mab wow Arwen I want your dream Congratulations for reconciling christianity and Mab! A more Mabish Merlin would be nice.why didn't Merlin look a little more like her? I think it would have been even better that way. Someone who is obviously her kin just from looking at his face but he fights her. He looks totally human, shouldn't a little fae-blood show up somewhere in his face?
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 27, 2011 20:51:50 GMT
hehehe and what in the world would counsellor Mab say?Nimue: I feel like Merlin's mother. Merlin: You see where the problem is. *Mab swings round in chair holding pen and writing pad* Mab: Mmmmm and how long have you had these feelings Nimue? *Nimue looks back round to see Merlin's gone and bursts into tears* *Mab rolls eyes* Mab: Yeah he tends to have mother issues. *whistles casually* I just had a really beautiful dream about Mab and Merlin!Lovely dream. Unfortunately I just totally had flash back of one of my dreams It was of just Mab she was walking somewhere or standing somewhere or something. It's not important nothing actually happens in the dream. But it's what she was wearing, when Nimue goes into talk to Vortigern about freeing Merlin. Yeah Mab was wearing her dress and her hair was light like hers... make of that what you will. ..edging his chair away from Nimue as she talks about how he left her alone, and how she felt like his mother XDHowever, wouldn't Mab have a problem with Nimue claiming to be his mother? "I'm his mother!"~MabHere we go again. Nimue: I love him. Mab: I love him. Nimue: You hate him. Mab: I hate him too. Im his mother! Nimue: Im his mother! Mab:........ why didn't Merlin look a little more like her? I think it would have been even better that way. Perhaps it's because Mab didn't carry him? I mean she put her magick into him and he had a fae half but I dont know if that necessarily affects his over all look. Saying that he didn't look much like Elissa (forgets her name) Someone who is obviously her kin just from looking at his face but he fights her.Much better, and it may have made it harder for Merlin to hurt her because they were so alike. Plus he'd have looked nicer. He looks totally human, shouldn't a little fae-blood show up somewhere in his face?I dunno but it would have been nice. It would have been cool if he had glittered....it also would have been cool if he'd had a raspy voice :L *sighs* I so want a Mab the movie
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Sept 28, 2011 12:56:20 GMT
why didn't Merlin look a little more like her? well Mab had designed his look. Maybe she wanted him to have a very human appearance, to win over the people (also christians) in recognising him as a fit ruler. Wonderful scenario. Of course Merlin would run away it may have made it harder for Merlin to hurt her because they were so alike. Plus he'd have looked nicer. lol true
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 28, 2011 15:50:22 GMT
why didn't Merlin look a little more like her? well Mab had designed his look. Maybe she wanted him to have a very human appearance, to win over the people (also christians) in recognising him as a fit ruler. That's actually the most logical answers, her idea with Merlin was to make him people relatable. I wonder if she regrets that. I love when there are fics or rps where Mab has a beautiful little girl. Wonderful scenario. Of course Merlin would run away Yeah it's sort of his thing. it may have made it harder for Merlin to hurt her because they were so alike. Plus he'd have looked nicer. lol true Yesh
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Post by spellboundinfinity on Sept 29, 2011 2:54:10 GMT
Counsellor Mab: Both of you, come to the dark side and you can be together forever/ have all the time to talk things out. I'll throw in a romantic forest with hut designed cave, just because I'm such a caring mother. heheheBrilliant plan *applause* ..edging his chair away from Nimue as she talks about how he left her alone, and how she felt like his mother XDOh now that's creepy. I really need to read the last 2 books, I only read book 1! wow Arwen I want your dream OMG I had the best Mab dream too! It was about a week ago (would've said something sooner, but school's been crazy): okay, so there was a lot of random dream stuff but then I went into a room and Mab was in it. She looked exactly like she did in the film when she went to see baby Merlin (with the purple skirt, black corset) and we didn't really talk much, since this part of the dream only lasted like ten minutes. But here's what was even better than just talking to her: we. hugged. I don't even know how it happened or what led up to it or anything, it was like one second we were just standing there and the next second we were hugging. It was seriously one of my best dreams ever. Nimue: I feel like Merlin's mother. Merlin: You see where the problem is. *Mab swings round in chair holding pen and writing pad* Mab: Mmmmm and how long have you had these feelings Nimue? *Nimue looks back round to see Merlin's gone and bursts into tears* *Mab rolls eyes* Mab: Yeah he tends to have mother issues. *whistles casually*Lmao I wonder how young Merlin would react to a father figure, in the midst of the whole triple-mother chaos (quadruple if you count the Lady of the Lake as a mother figure, since she is his aunt, and quintuple if you want to add delusional Nimue) Mab: I hate him too. Im his mother! Nimue: Im his mother! Mab:........ Me: *whistling casually* awkward... Someone who is obviously her kin just from looking at his face but he fights her. Much better, and it may have made it harder for Merlin to hurt her because they were so alike. Plus he'd have looked nicer. True dat I so want a Mab the movie We need to write a script one of these days... How y'all think Elissa would have felt about the Merlin's mother issue? Mab: I'm his mother! Nimue: I'm his mother! Elissa: No, I'm his mother, damn it!
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 30, 2011 3:47:14 GMT
It was seriously one of my best dreams ever. ah mab-huggles. XD
Any time I have a dream about a fav character, especially if I'm crushing on the character, we tend to have very little physical contact. I might touch their hand or their arm or something equally subtle. Usually we're just talking, and if it's a particularly soul-revealing conversation, I won't be able to look directly at them. This is typically me in a real situation too. I'm not shy but I am very stoic and aloof and I don't open up easily even if I really like the person. It takes a long time to build trust and even then it's difficult to open up on a deep level if I have to look directly at them. I know some of my most intimate conversations happened when I was sitting in total darkness with the other person because otherwise I would never been able to have that talk if I could actually see them.
I feel like maybe, just maybe, Mab is like me. She hides her real emotions most of the time because she doesn't trust most people to just spill her guts without a care. I also like the idea that you know someone so well, that despite their stoicism, all you have to do is touch their arm and they know what you're saying. You can read each other through your respective masks.
But of course I would never say "no" to mab-huggles! I'm just saying that would not be the very first move I make. I think Mab's reaction would be like mine, "..... @_@ there's somebody hugging me... what just happened?" albeit hers might contain more violence if she decided to remove the person from her being. XD
Mab:........ Me: *whistling casually* awkward... *mab's thoughts* she is so dead..get me that dragon!
Oh now that's creepy. I really need to read the last 2 books, I only read book 1! yes you must! Occasionally there are juicy little tidbits that go further than the movie.
How y'all think Elissa would have felt about the Merlin's mother issue? I'm sure Elissa deserves some credit as his mother. But Mab may not agree. --> "You were my chosen vessel, nothing more. Childbirth is a nasty business so I had you do it for me, but the child is mine!"
her idea with Merlin was to make him people relatable. It's a good idea, but what about the fact that she wanted to make him full-blood fae? Would he have been a pureblood fae but still look human if she had gone that route? And does Mab really understand humans enough to make one? I'd think she'd think that being fae is the perfect way to be and to want to be something else would be less than perfection. XD If he looked unusual and that became a problem with the humans, he could always don a glamour. Remember she wanted to create a fully-fae leader in the first place because all of her human-leaders kept betraying her. That would not have increased her regard of human abilities and intelligence.
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Post by spellboundinfinity on Sept 30, 2011 10:52:53 GMT
I feel like maybe, just maybe, Mab is like me. She hides her real emotions most of the time because she doesn't trust most people to just spill her guts without a care. I also like the idea that you know someone so well, that despite their stoicism, all you have to do is touch their arm and they know what you're saying. You can read each other through your respective masks.I see what you're saying and that does sound like Mab. I also like that idea too. It's like you're having one conversation on the outside but at the same time another one beneath the masks. But of course I would never say "no" to mab-huggles! I'm just saying that would not be the very first move I make. I think Mab's reaction would be like mine, "..... @_@ there's somebody hugging me... what just happened?" albeit hers might contain more violence if she decided to remove the person from her being. XDThat's what I would've thought she'd be like, but the thing is she hugged me! That's what made it so awesome But it seemed like she knew me somehow, like she knew who I was and everything. It was like I wasn't a stranger to her in the dream. How y'all think Elissa would have felt about the Merlin's mother issue? I'm sure Elissa deserves some credit as his mother. But Mab may not agree. --> "You were my chosen vessel, nothing more. Childbirth is a nasty business so I had you do it for me, but the child is mine!"Surrogate mother, basically. Sorry, Elissa! My, my, lotsa parent problems in the movie, aren't there? Merlin with his gazillion mother issues and no father, Mordred with his two mother figures and father who he's hellbent on killing, Morgan and her situation, Arthur finding out his true heritage as an adult, even Nimue with her father (although that was Vortigern's fault). We need counselor Mab for a group session XD
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Post by Mabforever on Sept 30, 2011 15:02:09 GMT
Oh now that's creepy. I really need to read the last 2 books, I only read book 1!Same here! Im partly being too lazy to read them. On the other hand if I do read them then I'll have to accept the fact that my Mab era is over nor more books to read no chance of another movie. So Im partly procrastinating for a very good cause OMG I had the best Mab dream too! It was about a week ago (would've said something sooner, but school's been crazy): okay, so there was a lot of random dream stuff but then I went into a room and Mab was in it. She looked exactly like she did in the film when she went to see baby Merlin (with the purple skirt, black corset) and we didn't really talk much, since this part of the dream only lasted like ten minutes. But here's what was even better than just talking to her: we. hugged. I don't even know how it happened or what led up to it or anything, it was like one second we were just standing there and the next second we were hugging. It was seriously one of my best dreams ever. ................ ...........I hate you I want that dream it sounds awesome but my dreams are weird. Sometimes I can see the dream though I am not in it. Other times I can see through my eyes and I have a body but no control over it only once I was able to do it. Thing is when I try to take control of dreams I wake up. But I'd love to have I hugging Mab dream. It contradicts me above worry of no knew visual Mab material. Lmao I wonder how young Merlin would react to a father figure, in the midst of the whole triple-mother chaos (quadruple if you count the Lady of the Lake as a mother figure, since she is his aunt, and quintuple if you want to add delusional Nimue)Now theres something I haven't given much thought too. I wonder if Mab and Idath could have made a good parenting couple. Merlin is bloody suffocated with mothers. Elissa gets bumped off first the one who went through the pain, then Ambrosia who brought him up gets whacked, then he kills of Mab himself and she put the life into him, this leaves him with Puddles and Nimue. Nice choice Merlin, the whiney Christian who all though had nothing to do with birth thinks she's like your mother and Puddles who will rape you in the next film then get killed by your magickal off spring. *pats Merlin's back* Mab: I hate him too. Im his mother! Nimue: Im his mother! Mab:........ Me: *whistling casually* awkward... *mab's thoughts* she is so dead..get me that dragon!Then the obvious answer is this. *fan girls ride in on dragon killing Nimue* Merlin then committed suicide and Mordred became Mab's champion. So this means that Merlin could never have weakened Mab at the end and oh look we have a sequel. I so want a Mab the movie We need to write a script one of these days...Why dont they just weld all the fanfiction together and make a movie from that....okay well Mab would be a major whore but I doubt anyone would complain. How y'all think Elissa would have felt about the Merlin's mother issue? Mab: I'm his mother! Nimue: I'm his mother! Elissa: No, I'm his mother, damn it! I'm sure Elissa deserves some credit as his mother. But Mab may not agree. --> "You were my chosen vessel, nothing more. Childbirth is a nasty business so I had you do it for me, but the child is mine!" Surrogate mother, basically. Sorry, Elissa!I'd probably head butt Mab at that if I were Elissa I mean Im a die hard Mab girl but the fact is if I had to get knocked up no sex involved, carry a kid around, get kicked out my home, go through the agony of labour and then die at the end to get told Im not the kids mother I'd be very pissed. My, my, lotsa parent problems in the movie, aren't there? Merlin with his gazillion mother issues and no father, Mordred with his two mother figures and father who he's hellbent on killing, Morgan and her situation, Arthur finding out his true heritage as an adult, even Nimue with her father (although that was Vortigern's fault). Merlin multiple mothers no father then in the second movie he has a kid with his aunt. Morgan's dad was killed while her mother was unknowingly screwing Uther. Mordred has his real mother and his Mab mother, he also has his step Frik and his real father Arthur who as you say he is hell bent on killing. Arthur has his sort of step Merlin, and then finds out he's Uther's son. Then you have Vortigern who was constantly trying to conceive but could never cut it due to Mab. We need counselor Mab for a group session XDOh gods do we ever need counsellor Mab.
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Post by sleepyqueenie on Sept 30, 2011 15:51:03 GMT
Of course Merlin would run away Yeah it's sort of his thing. He runs away, then shouts at her from a distance. That's the plot of the film until about 15 minutes before the end. I wonder how young Merlin would react to a father figure, in the midst of the whole triple-mother chaos er he'd be very confused and possibly reject the father figure as well. I so want a Mab the movie We need to write a script one of these days... yes How y'all think Elissa would have felt about the Merlin's mother issue? no idea, we don't really get to know her. I image pagan goddess wanting to use her son to achieve world domination would upset any mother (Morgan being the exception). "You were my chosen vessel, nothing more. Childbirth is a nasty business so I had you do it for me, but the child is mine!" lol That's our dear queen. what about the fact that she wanted to make him full-blood fae? That's in the book, right? I agree it would have been nice. However human Merlin might appear he is very keen on telling people that he is a wizard and adjusts his wardrobe to be 'more than human'. Other option why Mab didn't make him look like her: She actually finds Sam Neill handsome. And does Mab really understand humans enough to make one? hehe can't imagine why she would ever want to make a pure blood human. Remember she wanted to create a fully-fae leader in the first place because all of her human-leaders kept betraying her. Everyone keeps betraying her! it seemed like she knew me somehow, like she knew who I was and everything. aaw I think Mab knows a true believer when she sees one ;D Lately my dreams have turned kafkaesque. We need counselor Mab for a group session XD HAHA I'll have to accept the fact that my Mab era is over nor more books to read no chance of another movie. aw you poor thing. You shouldn't look at it that way. HP will never be finished for me though I've read all books and seen all films. Nice choice Merlin, the whiney Christian who all though had nothing to do with birth thinks she's like your mother and Puddles who will rape you in the next film then get killed by your magickal off spring. *pats Merlin's back* rofl if I had to get knocked up no sex involved, carry a kid around, get kicked out my home, go through the agony of labour and then die at the end to get told Im not the kids mother I'd be very pissed. exactly then in the second movie he has a kid with his aunt.A kid who clearly has issues. He is untroubled by the fact that he is the child of Merlin and an evil enchantress. He doesn't seem very upset when Merlin is gone and kills his mother after she made sure he could live. The only one more illogical in this film is Puddles herself.
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Post by Arwen17 on Sept 30, 2011 21:23:14 GMT
I'd probably head butt Mab at that if I were Elissa I mean Im a die hard Mab girl but the fact is if I had to get knocked up no sex involved, carry a kid around, get kicked out my home, go through the agony of labour and then die at the end to get told Im not the kids mother I'd be very pissed. Life sucks.
lol That's our dear queen. indeed she'd probably say something else like this too: "Why are you complaining? You should feel honored that out of all the women on earth I chose you to carry my demonic spawn." lmao "and when it is time for him to be born, he will rip you open like the good little monster I designed him to be." I'm having visions of Twilight. Yes, demonic spawn kill bella! kill bella!
However human Merlin might appear he is very keen on telling people that he is a wizard and adjusts his wardrobe to be 'more than human'. why does he do that? I sorta felt like he did that just to keep other people at arm's length emotionally, and perhaps he feels like he needs to do that to protect himself. If they don't have any fear or respect of him, they might harm him. I can't tell if he keeps people at arm's length because he's a natural loner or because he's afraid Mab would use such emotional ties against him. He lived as a hermit for a long time before Mab used Nimue to get to him. So for a long time, he really seems to have truly wanted to be utterly alone.
Other option why Mab didn't make him look like her: She actually finds Sam Neill handsome. hmmm...So she thinks some humans are attractive? It's weird because he's not stunningly beautiful and neither is Vortigern. They look good, but not jaw-dropping gorgeous. You'd think she would want the very best and have the gorgeous ones.
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