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Post by Mabforever on May 15, 2011 14:03:43 GMT
So you're saying there must be some kind of afterlife out there? Afterlife, reincarnation, something more than what we know. Im not sure. kind of like what is the meaning of life. Purpose of Life? here's what I think: Genesis 1:26-30 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food." In other words, God said go live your lives and be happy. He has some rules you need to live by because otherwise you're killing,cheating,stealing,hating,destroying. But if you live by the rules, then you're free to do absolutely anything that makes you happy and gives you a feeling of accomplishment.Meh sounds rather boring that way, I couldn't go through life thinking like that. It's like this game I had on my PS2 ages ago, it was skate boarding and the character did everything it had to, to complete the levels but at the end you just unplug it and it makes no difference to the character it didn't even matter at all. Very depressing hence why I prefer to read books now :L Another thing I've noticed is when people are happy they're bored but when in conflict they are, well they're not content but they feel more alive. Also, a book called "The Purpose Driven Life" I really enjoyed. I didn't agree with everything the author said (but who would we're all different) , but I like most his first point: You were created for God's pleasure Pleasure means happiness. God is a creator god so he enjoys creating beautiful things and since we're created in god's image we create things too and understand that feeling of joy in the act of creation (for example creating Mab fanfics .)LoL I have never had any focus on a god, nor have I picked up a bible or anything similar in my life, well apart from A witches Bible, which really had no focus on why we are here :L Mmmm, I dunno I once heard someone say 'God made us smart enough to know there is an answer to the meaning of life but not smart enough to figure it out.' lol which sounds perfect for us. Though I do love reading Mab fics as Im sure everyone knows . Summary of what I believe: 1. we are caretakers of the earth because we hold dominion over the animals and plants, we're supposed to take good care of what god has given us. 2. Go forth and multiply "lol dont think I need to explain this, but he isn't suggesting orgies" 3. do whatever makes you feel happiness, accomplishment, purpose, we were gifted with intelligence and free will. 4. Don't over do it and go crazy ok? have some self-restraint1. ok 2. Cant really work with me for a few reasons, one of them being I hate children I mean they're ok for a limited time, but other than that they give me the creeps. *shudders* 3.Fair enough. 4. Over doing it and going crazy is amazing So Im with 1 and 3 but against 2 and 4 which is sad as I like even numbers ......Im an odd ball. Everything in existence was created for god's pleasure because he wanted it to exist (excluding sin). He takes pleasure in its existence and wants his creatures to have freedom, intelligence, and happiness.Bloody hell did he fail a dillion :L lol I think as whole species #2 we've done well. #3 could be better. And #1 and #4 we've failed miserably at.We're excellent at 2 to the point we're running out of planet room :L **About Death, it was never in the original plan for human beings. Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— Adam and Eve were immortal until they screwed up. And God specifically told they would die if they ate from that tree so they were fully aware, they're actions weren't born of ignorance. But they did it anyway. How many times have your parents told you not to do something, but you did it anyway?Now sometimes I'd like to live longer but forever nah I prefer the saying live fast die young I want a hot looking corpse not an old wrinkley one lol. And I have found away around. 'How many times have your parents told you not to do something but you do it anyway.' You dont ask before hand that way you can cleverly say I didn't know in the first place muhahahahaaha The body can die but what about you yourself that part surely can not age till death, only the physical form can. You're buying into the oldest lie in the book. Genesis 3:2-4 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "You will not die," the serpent said to the woman." Majority of people believe in this "immortal soul" business or reincarnation. God said "You will die." and the serpent said "you will not die." who do you think was speaking truth? You die. End of story. Death is death. We are mortal creatures we do not have an immortal soul. I could offer endless quotes from the bible where it states you're definitely dead, there's no disembodied soul floating around anywhere, but then this discussion would never end lol. The serpent keeps repeating the same lie over and over again in different ways "Don't worry. You won't die." because he wants us to do things that will hurt us. "Don't worry, go ahead and touch that frying pan. It won't burn you." I have a bad memory as a little girl, my mom told me not to touch a hot pan, but I decided to disobey because I impatiently wanted the cookies so I got badly burnt.Well I strongly disagree I refuse to believe and will never believe death is death I'll believe in reincarnation, I'll believe in an after life, I will never believe death is death, I dont reckon I believe in souls either, your told a soul is a soul but I'd never believe it to be as simple as that for one it's far to gloomy, I dont believe in a God, nor do I believe in Adam or Eve or any of that racket. I'm not Christian I'm not purely Pagan or Wiccan nor am I Athiest I believe in many many many things. Granted most of them are ridiculous some may sound impossible, and I can not be proven right yet no one can prove me wrong. It's nice to ask questions and want to know and twist your mind with thinking but truth be told none of us do know. We will find out in death, or of course we wont if we really are dead. Then I cant bloody argue any way but it's nice to think of everything instead of limiting your self to a pathetic existence of just living building things improving things looking after things then dying. If that was the way I thought I'd rather not live at all. So its my shining example: Arwen's cookie stupidity = Eve's apple stupidityWhy didn't you just buy cookies from the shop I did something similar to what you did with a cup of coffee and it was not pretty. as I say I guess my head has a lot of free time. I like thinking about the weird stuff. I love thinking about stuff like that. Its not weird. The future, the past, all that complicated stuff, you never run out of stuff to think about and what it all means.Yeah and it's a bloody headache and even though we guess we still come back to the same main conclusion, we dont have a bloody clue :L Mmmmmm, well I was originally gonna say Excalibur in something I used to watch pretty much fought it's own battles like the user would hold it, but it would take control. But he uses a different sword at some point which screws that theory. Um no I dont see Mab teaching him perhaps again Frik? I reckon he knew a few things he was in that battle at the end. Just a really big coward before hand. Way to get courage at the worst time Frik The only other thing I can think of is like he worked it out himself.
*shudders at the idea of someone working out swords for themselves* He'd be dead in seconds.Well the person who invented it had to I think just because Frik is a coward doesn't mean he doesn't know about swords. Why do we think Frik is a coward anyway?Cos he admits he's a coward :L he says better to be a coward for a minute than dead for a life time, ok that's no where near it but I dont have a clue what it is. Because he trembles when Mab enters the room? Well a lot of people would do that.Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur didn't. I can see Mab wielding a sword but not teaching Merlin Actually it would have been great for Mab to show sword skills, the only time I could think it appropriate for this would perhaps be with Vortigern? Not actually attacking each other so much as testing. I would love it too, but would it be appropriate for the time period? I don't know if men would like it. They would think she was trying to act like a man. If she wants to be a man, she could just change her appearance.LoL she could kick his ass without a sword. But anyway it would just totally be an awesomeageness scene. I could see how Excalibur might be the "auto-pilot" sword where you dont have to do anything just let Excalibur be in control.Auto pilot! Now there's the word I should have used above. ;D That's a lot better than "Oh I go to church, but I've never really read the bible." @_@ "Then how do you know if what your pastor is telling you is true or not?"Nothing to do with what your talking about but I used to say that about when I had French, How do we know they are teaching us the words they say they are? lol .........I think Im paranoid From what I remember, Mordred used Mab's persuasion magic to convince the knights to follow him. He never hid the fact that he was pagan, he just tried to discredit Arthur. And if you want these men to follow you, you need to convince them that paganism is the better way and that christians can't be trusted. Did not know this.........huh, wow. How did Mordred manage to use Mab's magick? very long post lol, I think I responded to most everything.And I re responded to some parts One thing I get a kick out of is how catholics pray to Mary because she's the "Mother of God". They've turned the pagan mother goddess into Mary. Ma--->ry Ma<----b Mab oh Mab! hahaha! yay! much better mother goddessI agree with this logic. .................................. After having replied to you, I have decided to spot pondering the questions of life as I've went through a box of paracetamol Im going to focus the sweet land of Queen Mab, and no that does not include religion, she lives in Hogwarts and Jareth the Goblin King also stays there and yes this is true you cant argue with that logic *sticks ears plugs in*
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Post by sleepyqueenie on May 15, 2011 18:37:00 GMT
someone should write a fanfic called "pass the popcorn mab" or film hmm we should first write a script, round up some actors, kidnap Miranda,… could work as I say I guess my head has a lot of free time. I like thinking about the weird stuff. I love thinking about stuff like that. Its not weird. The future, the past, all that complicated stuff, you never run out of stuff to think about and what it all means. Agreed I love thinking about the complicated stuff as well! Am I weird? I haven’t figured out what I believe in yet. I’m not Christian. I know some people who truly believe in God and His goodness and I admire them for that. But I just can’t. When I have to go to church I can’t help but criticize every word. I feel terrible afterwards. That’s why I don’t go to church anymore. And because it feels like such cheating going to church when you don’t believe. I am definitely not an atheist either. There are just too many things, often small things, which can not be coincidental. Actually it would have been great for Mab to show sword skills, the only time I could think it appropriate for this would perhaps be with Vortigern? Not actually attacking each other so much as testing. I would pay to see that scene! but would it be appropriate for the time period? Time means nothing to Mab. She can do whatever she wants. I don't know if men would like it. They wouldn’t, which can only make this scene even more awesome! I could see how Excalibur might be the "auto-pilot" sword where you dont have to do anything just let Excalibur be in control. yup. auto-pilot: perfect word! God is a creator god so he enjoys creating beautiful things and since we're created in god's image we create things too and understand that feeling of joy in the act of creation (for example creating Mab fanfics .) I like the way you think! Ooh Mab fics Everything in existence was created for god's pleasure because he wanted it to exist (excluding sin). Here I disagree. If God made All, He also created evil(the devil) and from that sin. Being all-knowing, He knew Adam and Eve wouldn’t be able to resist the apple. As said before: a big forbidden sign only makes you want to take the apple/cookies (love that cookies memory!) Maybe He even planned on them to give into sin. I don’t mean to say that God wants people to sin. Just that sin is part of our world and that it is a necessary part. It tests us, gives us a chance to see for ourselves what is good and wrong and become better people. God said "You will die." and the serpent said "you will not die." who do you think was speaking truth? Lol I didn’t know the serpent said that. *making mental note: read more from the bible, sounds fun* He never hid the fact that he was pagan, he just tried to discredit Arthur. True, the pagan-thing just never came up. Mordred wouldn’t hide his loyalty to Mab of course The Bible never exalts Mary above anyone else. Neither should we. Interesting. In the Medieval stories from my country people are always praying to Maria. Because kind-hearted Mary will pity them and convince God to be more forgiving towards these poor humans. There used to be a fanfic with a scene where Mab kills the pope, but it was deleted before I joined mrap. I would pay money to read it lol. Hihi You’re not alone Sounds like I would pay for a lot of Mab-stuff. *start counting money* Another thing I've noticed is when people are happy they're bored but when in conflict they are, well they're not content but they feel more alive. Perhaps, not always though. I can feel pretty useless/angry when I am bored. The ‘in conflict’ heavily depends on what kind of conflict they are in. I hate children I mean they're ok for a limited time, but other than that they give me the creeps. *shudders* I understand. I disliked children for many years. Some kids still give me chills, but then certain grown-ups do that as well. Children can be very odd, especially babies. Little aliens. We're excellent at 2 to the point we're running out of planet room :L fair point! I prefer the saying live fast die young I want a hot looking corpse not an old wrinkley one lol. A bit shocked now. Young or old, I don’t think corpses usually look hot. –except in some films-. I often think thout this though. If only death were ‘prettier’, would we still be as scared? No decomposing corpse, no maggots, no stinking smoke if you’d opt for cremation. limiting your self to a pathetic existence of just living building things improving things looking after things then dying. If that was the way I thought I'd rather not live at all. You would so like to check if it is the way you fear or not and file a complaint if it is Why do we think Frik is a coward anyway? Cos he admits he's a coward :L he says better to be a coward for a minute than dead for a life time so he does Does general sneakiness also count? Because he trembles when Mab enters the room? Well a lot of people would do that.Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur didn't. that’s an impressive list Strange people … people back then just didn't respect her the way we do. Why didn't you just buy cookies from the shopHome made cookies are the best! I thought everyone knew that ;D I used to say that about when I had French, How do we know they are teaching us the words they say they are? lol .........I think Im paranoid When in doubt you can consult a dictionary or the internet dear. Not every one of these things lies. One thing I get a kick out of is how catholics pray to Mary because she's the "Mother of God". They've turned the pagan mother goddess into Mary. Ma--->ry Ma<----b Mab oh Mab! hahaha! yay! much better mother goddess I agree with this logic.*nodds*
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Post by himiko on May 15, 2011 19:16:33 GMT
To add in on the religion discussion- I'm not sure what I believe in. I have times when I don't believe there's anything out there, and other times when I believe there's SOMETHING. But what that something might be, and what the afterlife, if there is one, might be like, I have no idea...
Merlin on swordfighting- I guess its one of two things- either Excalibur is, as someone said, an "autopilot sword", or Merlin was taught swordfighting by Frik as part of some "kingly training". If he was supposed to be a king, then presumably he would have had to have a knowledge of battle tactics and such, and I may be mistaken, but in that time period, wouldn't male nobles, and, of course, the king, be expected to know how to handle a sword? Of course, this is the only time Merlin wields a sword in the film, so whether he's any good at it without Excalibur, we don't know...
Mab on swordfighting- Women wouldn't have been expected to wield a sword at the time, but I can't imagine Mab would have let that stop her. After all, the warrior is one of her aspects, the only one she has left if the books are to be believed. I reckon she probably sees the use of swords as pointless when she has powerful magic at her disposal- I mean, if someone attacks her with a sword, she can just block them and send them flying with magic.
Mordred- he doesn't have magic powers or anything, but Mab either puts a spell on him, or gives him a potion (I forget which) to make men follow him and believe what he says- hence why people believe he's Arthur's son, despite looking nearly the same age as his father. It doesn't work on everyone, but it works on enough for him to raise an army. It only lasts for a limited time, though, and the book suggests that Arthur's men are winning the fight, and Mordred's men, when confronted with dying, desert his army or surrender, as the urge to live is stronger than their belief in Mordred.
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Post by Mabforever on May 15, 2011 20:46:06 GMT
someone should write a fanfic called "pass the popcorn mab" or film hmm we should first write a script, round up some actors, kidnap Miranda,… could work Ok sure haven’t figured out what I believe in yet. I’m not Christian. I know some people who truly believe in God and His goodness and I admire them for that. But I just can’t. When I have to go to church I can’t help but criticize every word. I feel terrible afterwards. That’s why I don’t go to church anymore.Lol Im like that I do believe, I dont believe I dont know what I do or dont believe Im constantly changing my mind everything I say I believe I say it without steady ground. All I know is I believe in more. Church wise, eh...I think I've been in one once I am definitely not an atheist either. There are just too many things, often small things, which can not be coincidental.Sometimes Im an athiest :L lol I mean sometimes I believe in nothing at all but that puts me in severe depression. Actually it would have been great for Mab to show sword skills, the only time I could think it appropriate for this would perhaps be with Vortigern? Not actually attacking each other so much as testing. I would pay to see that scene!LoL I have a feeling I got that scene from a movie but I cant remember which but would it be appropriate for the time period? Time means nothing to Mab. She can do whatever she wants.Cause she's Mab. I don't know if men would like it. They wouldn’t, which can only make this scene even more awesome!Indeed it would God is a creator god so he enjoys creating beautiful things and since we're created in god's image we create things too and understand that feeling of joy in the act of creation (for example creating Mab fanfics .) I like the way you think! Ooh Mab fics
Yes the meaning of life=Mab fanfics we should go tell the world haha. God said "You will die." and the serpent said "you will not die." who do you think was speaking truth? Lol I didn’t know the serpent said that. *making mental note: read more from the bible, sounds fun*Im quite gutted we ran out of talking snakes He never hid the fact that he was pagan, he just tried to discredit Arthur. True, the pagan-thing just never came up. Mordred wouldn’t hide his loyalty to Mab of courseLike Mab talking to Morgan then. And yeah Mordred is the original Mab fan boy There used to be a fanfic with a scene where Mab kills the pope, but it was deleted before I joined mrap. I would pay money to read it lol. Hihi You’re not aloneMust have skipped past that before but,....WOW Sounds like I would pay for a lot of Mab-stuff. *start counting money*Me too. I'd love her dresses. Another thing I've noticed is when people are happy they're bored but when in conflict they are, well they're not content but they feel more alive. Perhaps, not always though. I can feel pretty useless/angry when I am bored. The ‘in conflict’ heavily depends on what kind of conflict they are in.Maybe just me then, and a few others I dont character study every one I meet lol so it's just a couple. Happy calm fine, but conflict crisis. I dont mean you enjoy suffering or watching others suffer what I mean is something that makes your heart race. I hate children I mean they're ok for a limited time, but other than that they give me the creeps. *shudders* I understand. I disliked children for many years. Some kids still give me chills, but then certain grown-ups do that as well. Children can be very odd, especially babies. Little aliens.Yeah Im not a people person, kids in particular stare at me they follow me with their eyes and Im not exaggerating and for some odd reason they are in love with my fingers. Mostly babies I have very long boney fingers and long nails which are usually painted a very dark colour or very bright colour and babies are known to grab them and like trying to pull them off or just staring at them as though they're contemplating biting fingers of which is impossible but I watched Chuckie! I prefer the saying live fast die young I want a hot looking corpse not an old wrinkley one lol. A bit shocked now. Young or old, I don’t think corpses usually look hot.Oh huh I think they look peaceful, well if they've been murdered burned that could be ick. –except in some films-. I often think thout this though. If only death were ‘prettier’, would we still be as scared? No decomposing corpse, no maggots, no stinking smoke if you’d opt for cremation. Probably not tbh with death Im bothered about what if Im not actually dead? This woman who was in a morgue was actually a live and she just had this condition where it looked like she was dead being cooked or buried alive while everyone watched and no one knew oh gods limiting your self to a pathetic existence of just living building things improving things looking after things then dying. If that was the way I thought I'd rather not live at all. You would so like to check if it is the way you fear or not and file a complaint if it is Yesh, I like my idea of life it's fun and has dragons pink ones. Why do we think Frik is a coward anyway? Cos he admits he's a coward :L he says better to be a coward for a minute than dead for a life time so he does Does general sneakiness also count?Gang up on Frik day. Because he trembles when Mab enters the room? Well a lot of people would do that.Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur didn't. that’s an impressive list Strange people … people back then just didn't respect her the way we do. Yeah lol I dont think it fitted into there characters or something. Why didn't you just buy cookies from the shop Home made cookies are the best! I thought everyone knew that Yes, but Mary Land Cookies are awesome there like tiny drops of heaven I used to say that about when I had French, How do we know they are teaching us the words they say they are? lol .........I think Im paranoid When in doubt you can consult a dictionary or the internet dear. Not every one of these things lies.Well I clearly didn't think of that at the time :L One thing I get a kick out of is how catholics pray to Mary because she's the "Mother of God". They've turned the pagan mother goddess into Mary. Ma--->ry Ma<----b Mab oh Mab! hahaha! yay! much better mother goddess I agree with this logic.*nodds*We should complain. To add in on the religion discussion- I'm not sure what I believe in. I have times when I don't believe there's anything out there, and other times when I believe there's SOMETHING. But what that something might be, and what the afterlife, if there is one, might be like, I have no idea...That's a less complicated way of saying what I was trying to I think. lol Merlin on swordfighting- I guess its one of two things- either Excalibur is, as someone said, an "autopilot sword", or Merlin was taught swordfighting by Frik as part of some "kingly training". If he was supposed to be a king, then presumably he would have had to have a knowledge of battle tactics and such, and I may be mistaken, but in that time period, wouldn't male nobles, and, of course, the king, be expected to know how to handle a sword? Of course, this is the only time Merlin wields a sword in the film, so whether he's any good at it without Excalibur, we don't know...Auto pilot or Frik it is then. Well anyways in Merlin on the bbc Uther and Arthur are both trained in sword fighting so chances are Merlin was taught a little as he was gonna be King. He does have magick so like Mab he probably wouldn't need to wield a sword Mordred- he doesn't have magic powers or anything, but Mab either puts a spell on him, or gives him a potion (I forget which) to make men follow him and believe what he says- hence why people believe he's Arthur's son, despite looking nearly the same age as his father. It doesn't work on everyone, but it works on enough for him to raise an army. It only lasts for a limited time, though, and the book suggests that Arthur's men are winning the fight, and Mordred's men, when confronted with dying, desert his army or surrender, as the urge to live is stronger than their belief in Mordred.Oh right I didn't know this or I did and I forgot.
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Post by Arwen17 on May 15, 2011 21:42:38 GMT
Another thing I've noticed is when people are happy they're bored but when in conflict they are, well they're not content but they feel more alive.Usually if I'm having fun, I don't even know the time is passing by. When you're absorbed by an activity, you suddenly look up at the clock wondering where the hours went. Its definitely not boring. It depends what kind of conflict you're having. If its stimulating debate, that can be fun. Happy doesn't mean life is grand and easy. It can be challenging and interesting. It just means you're not angry or miserable. If you're having a stressful argument with someone, you're not having fun and both of you are terribly upset and unhappy about it. 2. Cant really work with me for a few reasons, one of them being I hate children I mean they're ok for a limited time, but other than that they give me the creeps. *shudders*I hear ya, I'm not sure I'll ever have children either, but its good some people do or our race wouldn't ever continue. 4. Over doing it and going crazy is amazing Until the hangover comes the next morning right? Oh I believe in an afterlife, but my point is you have to die in order to get to the afterlife. That's why its called "afterlife", you're dead. People think you never really die because your soul is immortal or something. I don't believe in a soul either. The only thing in the bible is the "breathe of life" which means that God breathed life into Adam. Adam's "person" is his body. He doesn't have a separate soul thing that can live apart from his body. Where do "you" exist? In your brain. Not a mystical soul thing. So when the body dies, the brain dies, you die. You cease to exist. Then later it speaks of resurrection and afterlife. If you weren't truly dead, there would be no need for a "resurrection." Then I cant bloody argue any way but it's nice to think of everything instead of limiting your self to a pathetic existence of just living building things improving things looking after things then dying. If that was the way I thought I'd rather not live at all.That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying live in the way that has meaning to you. It doesn't say anywhere that "improving yourself" etc. is the only right way to live. When I use the word "accomplishment" that could mean many different things not just monetary gain or status etc. "Accomplishment" is whatever you believe makes you're life worthwhile. Why didn't you just buy cookies from the shop I did something similar to what you did with a cup of coffee and it was not pretty.lol you're mom never baked cookies when you were a child? Yeah and it's a bloody headache and even though we guess we still come back to the same main conclusion, we don't have a bloody clue :Lyep pretty much. The bible says nobody's perfect and the only thing we can do is just try to do the best we can and not agonize over it, but at the same time don't make convenient excuses for yourself when you know you're doing something you shouldn't. I think just because Frik is a coward doesn't mean he doesn't know about swords. Why do we think Frik is a coward anyway? Cos he admits he's a coward :L he says better to be a coward for a minute than dead for a life time, ok that's no where near it but I dont have a clue what it is.
I know he says that. But there's never a scene that shows him do something specifically cowardly? Because he trembles when Mab enters the room? Well a lot of people would do that. Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur didn't.
They were all trembling on the inside for different reasons, some fear, some lust. How did Mordred manage to use Mab's magick?It was some kind of liquid in a bottle she gave him. It basically gave him a "silver tongue" so he could convince anyone of anything. But the effects were not long lasting. I kinda hated it because instead of being a brilliant clever orator, he was really just a cheater. I like clever cheating, but stupid cheating is just boring. If God made All, He also created evil(the devil) and from that sin. Being all-knowing, He knew Adam and Eve wouldn’t be able to resist the apple. As said before: a big forbidden sign only makes you want to take the apple/cookies (love that cookies memory!) Maybe He even planned on them to give into sin. I don’t mean to say that God wants people to sin. Just that sin is part of our world and that it is a necessary part.Very good points. Lucifer was perfect in all ways when God created him. And God knew the moment Lucifer turned from him. But God grants all his creatures freedom of choice. People always ask "Why the hell did God put that tree in the garden in the first place?" Because it was a deliberate test of loyalty. Adam and Eve had to have the freedom to choose whether they wanted to trust God or not. If the tree hadn't been there, Adam and Eve wouldn't have the ability to disobey even if they wanted to. The tree gave them the ability to disobey. Here's an example of why freedom of choice is so important: You can program a robot dog to love you. But its not really love because it has no choice in the matter, it does not have the ability to defy you. But if you have a real dog, it does have the choice to obey or disobey you. When it chooses to obey you, it is showing you real love. Obedience aka loyalty is an act of love. When you want to show someone that you love them, you humor them, do things for them, and acquiesce to their wishes. And you do all these happily because you love them and want them to be happy. It tests us, gives us a chance to see for ourselves what is good and wrong and become better people. This is exactly what is happening. Now that sin has entered the world, it gives everyone a chance to truly see the self-destructive nature of sin. And the entire universe is watching this drama play out such as the angels, all of god's creations, everyone is learning from what is happening in this world. Until Lucifer, no one had ever sinned before, so all the creatures of universe until now have been unfamiliar with the consequences of sin(aka evil) and where it leads. Our world is the first fallen world and it will be the last fallen world. This entire thing will never be allowed to happen again. God is allowing all of this to play out so everyone can see for themselves the nature of evil. God said never to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. There is a heavy price for such knowledge for the entire universe. The afterlife is...long story short...the world ends...resurrection happens...then spend 1000 years in heaven getting to know God (you can ask all the questions you want of him, he wants you to understand everything that happened and why)...after that God recreates the Earth the way it was meant to be before the serpent sneaked in and messed things up and we all get to live on the Earth forever (although I'm sure we'll get to visit other planets, meet other creatures he created such as the angels, and all kinds of fun stuff). So the new Earth will be like this Earth, only a trillion times better and without suffering. And we'll finally get to experience the way things were supposed to happen when god first created the earth. I love your new glitter sleepyqueen!
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Post by Mabforever on May 15, 2011 23:36:53 GMT
Another thing I've noticed is when people are happy they're bored but when in conflict they are, well they're not content but they feel more alive. Usually if I'm having fun, I don't even know the time is passing by. When you're absorbed by an activity, you suddenly look up at the clock wondering where the hours went. Its definitely not boring. It depends what kind of conflict you're having. If its stimulating debate, that can be fun. Happy doesn't mean life is grand and easy. It can be challenging and interesting. It just means you're not angry or miserable. If you're having a stressful argument with someone, you're not having fun and both of you are terribly upset and unhappy about it.Yeah thats what I mean something to make your heart beat, thinking fast moving quickly going with the flow. Perhaps it's cos I've been cooped up since January but gods I miss like when I was at school there was a different drama every day it was fab and now....oh yeah I have no life. 2. Cant really work with me for a few reasons, one of them being I hate children I mean they're ok for a limited time, but other than that they give me the creeps. *shudders* I hear ya, I'm not sure I'll ever have children either, but its good some people do or our race wouldn't ever continue.Others can repopulate I'll stand aside. 4. Over doing it and going crazy is amazing Until the hangover comes the next morning right?Bingo! Or sometimes the morning after that. Oh I believe in an afterlife, but my point is you have to die in order to get to the afterlife. That's why its called "afterlife", you're dead.But that hurts my brain People think you never really die because your soul is immortal or something. I don't believe in a soul either. The only thing in the bible is the "breathe of life" which means that God breathed life into Adam. Adam's "person" is his body. He doesn't have a separate soul thing that can live apart from his body. Where do "you" exist? In your brain. Not a mystical soul thing. So when the body dies, the brain dies, you die. You cease to exist. Then later it speaks of resurrection and afterlife. If you weren't truly dead, there would be no need for a "resurrection."I dont think your in your brain :L after my last post I was considering that we're like aliens and we're just inhabiting the bodies, but when I say it, it sounds like I need to be locked up LMAO I cant explain what Im trying to say but I know what I mean. Grrrrr I should stick to the threads about Mab's dresses. Then I cant bloody argue any way but it's nice to think of everything instead of limiting your self to a pathetic existence of just living building things improving things looking after things then dying. If that was the way I thought I'd rather not live at all. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying live in the way that has meaning to you. It doesn't say anywhere that "improving yourself" etc. is the only right way to live. When I use the word "accomplishment" that could mean many different things not just monetary gain or status etc. "Accomplishment" is whatever you believe makes you're life worthwhile.I dont believe anything at all is worth while PMSL obviously Im inclined to say Mab fics cause duh I love reading them but one day Im gonna forget and then everything will slowly melt away and I just dont see the point hence me not caring alot for well anything. It's morbid very morbid I know, but again Im not sure if I just think this way down to being so depressed. I mean now Im neutral ish when Im really down Im terrible and when Im up I can say we live we rock at it then we die in complete counter to everything I've said above *shrugs* mood swings. Why didn't you just buy cookies from the shop I did something similar to what you did with a cup of coffee and it was not pretty. lol you're mom never baked cookies when you were a child?Hell no, my mum doesn't bake at all, and I never really ate cookies as I child I was more interested in trying this 'vodka' that got people drunk I did not like it at all. Then I grew up and liked vodka and making my own cookies Oh and I make gorgeous brownies. No one in my family really bakes barr my step dad....I actually dont know anyone who has a mother who bakes cookies (like out of my friends) Yeah and it's a bloody headache and even though we guess we still come back to the same main conclusion, we don't have a bloody clue :L yep pretty much. The bible says nobody's perfect and the only thing we can do is just try to do the best we can and not agonize over it, but at the same time don't make convenient excuses for yourself when you know you're doing something you shouldn't.We should all get drunk and forget we even started this convo I know Im going to I think just because Frik is a coward doesn't mean he doesn't know about swords. Why do we think Frik is a coward anyway? Cos he admits he's a coward :L he says better to be a coward for a minute than dead for a life time, ok that's no where near it but I dont have a clue what it is. I know he says that. But there's never a scene that shows him do something specifically cowardly?He gives the impression......cant we just take his word for it? Because he trembles when Mab enters the room? Well a lot of people would do that. Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur didn't. They were all trembling on the inside for different reasons, some fear, some lust.Tsk, tsk, tsk, well if fics have anything to do with it Mab has slept with Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur :L How did Mordred manage to use Mab's magick? It was some kind of liquid in a bottle she gave him. It basically gave him a "silver tongue" so he could convince anyone of anything. But the effects were not long lasting. I kinda hated it because instead of being a brilliant clever orator, he was really just a cheater. I like clever cheating, but stupid cheating is just boring.What happen to cheats never prosper? I love your new glitter sleepyqueen!I've agreed in a different thread but I'll agree again as I doubley like them
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Post by Arwen17 on May 16, 2011 2:18:22 GMT
I actually dont know anyone who has a mother who bakes cookies (like out of my friends)she doesn't bake cookies anymore. that was just cause I was a little kid. It was something fun to do together. she does occasionally make brownies. I can't cook because I've never had an interest in learning it. Maybe I'll learn once I start living on my own. We should all get drunk and forget we even started this convo I know Im going to lmao Tsk, tsk, tsk, well if fics have anything to do with it Mab has slept with Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur :L she's a busy woman. What happen to cheats never prosper?Who said that? It's total lie. You live in a fallen world so of course evil often wins the day. Anyways, I always fall in love with the clever, witty, sexy evil character.
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Post by Mabforever on May 16, 2011 12:02:22 GMT
I actually dont know anyone who has a mother who bakes cookies (like out of my friends) she doesn't bake cookies anymore. that was just cause I was a little kid. It was something fun to do together. she does occasionally make brownies. I can't cook because I've never had an interest in learning it. Maybe I'll learn once I start living on my own.Our people's never baked cookies or stuffs, I mean I do but not parent wise, what usually happens around here is you get told to go play with your friends to give mum peace she needs to rest her eyes We should all get drunk and forget we even started this convo I know Im going to lmao*passes vodka* Shhhhhhhhhh! Tsk, tsk, tsk, well if fics have anything to do with it Mab has slept with Morgan, Merlin, Vortigern, Nimue, Mordred and Arthur :L she's a busy woman.Indeed she is, and I forgot Idath. What happen to cheats never prosper? Who said that? It's total lie. You live in a fallen world so of course evil often wins the day.It's an idiom. (i think) Anyways, I always fall in love with the clever, witty, sexy evil character.Mab and Jareth?
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Post by Arwen17 on May 16, 2011 12:40:15 GMT
Anyways, I always fall in love with the clever, witty, sexy evil character. Mab and Jareth? Mab, Jareth, Severus Snape, Morticia Addams, The White Witch-Queen of Narnia, lots of characters from anime such as Roy Mustang (Fullmetal Alchemist) or Sasuke (Naruto). Dracula from Van Helsing(2004) is just so hot and funny! Any character who is a master of sarcasm and hot. I suppose Mordred is one of the exceptions and I think its because he never came off as particularly bright. I must have intelligent evil with a good sense of humor.
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Post by Mabforever on May 16, 2011 13:45:40 GMT
Anyways, I always fall in love with the clever, witty, sexy evil character. Mab and Jareth?
Mab, Jareth, Severus Snape, Morticia Addams, The White Witch-Queen of Narnia, I love all these Im surprised the Lady Van Tassel isn't in the list lots of characters from anime such as Roy Mustang (Fullmetal Alchemist) or Sasuke (Naruto).Nota clue. Dracula from Van Helsing(2004) is just so hot and funny!Not as keen I preferred the brides. Any character who is a master of sarcasm and hot. I suppose Mordred is one of the exceptions and I think its because he never came off as particularly bright. I must have intelligent evil with a good sense of humor.Awww poor Mordred, is Vortigern in?
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Post by sleepyqueenie on May 16, 2011 14:29:31 GMT
Im quite gutted we ran out of talking snakes me too for some odd reason they are in love with my fingers. Mostly babies I have very long boney fingers and long nails which are usually painted a very dark colour or very bright colour and babies are known to grab them and like trying to pull them off or just staring at them as though they're contemplating biting fingers of which is impossible but I watched Chuckie! lol yeah, long fingernails fascinate children. I also have personal experience with that. I like my idea of life it's fun and has dragons pink ones. NO not pink! take the pinkness away, it hurts my eyes hmm nice vodka has entered this conversation. I am eating some home made cookies right now. ;D *hands out cookies* Where do "you" exist? In your brain. Not a mystical soul thing. according to me: yes, body and mind/soul are entwined. Still I feel like there is something else/more to it. They were all trembling on the inside for different reasons, some fear, some lust. lol I kinda hated it because instead of being a brilliant clever orator, he was really just a cheater. I like clever cheating, but stupid cheating is just boring. yeah Here's an example of why freedom of choice is so important: ... Comparing Adam and Eve to a dog *laughs* oké back to serious. It does illustrate your point beautifully. and I agree with what you said. Our world is the first fallen world and it will be the last fallen world. This entire thing will never be allowed to happen again. The afterlife is...long story short...the world ends...resurrection happens...then spend 1000 years in heaven getting to know God ... the new Earth will be like this Earth, only a trillion times better and without suffering. This Earth is just a proto type? I never heard that theory before! I love your new glitter sleepyqueen! yay! Anyways, I always fall in love with the clever, witty, sexy evil character. I know just what you mean! Mab, Jareth, Severus Snape, Morticia Addams, The White Witch-Queen of Narnia, Lady Van Tassel *stares at this list of evil fluffiness* I love all these characters. lots of characters from anime such as Roy Mustang (Fullmetal Alchemist) or Sasuke (Naruto). Haven't watched those. Dracula from Van Helsing(2004) is just so hot and funny! Not as keen I preferred the brides. This Dracula and his brides are great fun, but they don't make my fan-list
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Post by Mabforever on May 16, 2011 17:01:48 GMT
Im quite gutted we ran out of talking snakes me too Tis a shame. for some odd reason they are in love with my fingers. Mostly babies I have very long boney fingers and long nails which are usually painted a very dark colour or very bright colour and babies are known to grab them and like trying to pull them off or just staring at them as though they're contemplating biting fingers of which is impossible but I watched Chuckie! lol yeah, long fingernails fascinate children. I also have personal experience with that.I hate it I used to tell my mum that children bit at my ankles I dont like small humans, .... or large ones. I like my idea of life it's fun and has dragons pink ones. NO not pink! take the pinkness away, it hurts my eyes They are pink and glittery !!!!!!!!!!!! hmm nice vodka has entered this conversation. I am eating some home made cookies right now. *hands out cookies*Yes, I woudlnt try choco vodka or cookies it's rank Where do "you" exist? In your brain. Not a mystical soul thing. according to me: yes, body and mind/soul are entwined. Still I feel like there is something else/more to it. We're in a tv really our life is a program, we are characters. Yup. That's the answer. Aliens, they're watching us. With pink dragons. Like big brother. Our world is the first fallen world and it will be the last fallen world. This entire thing will never be allowed to happen again. The afterlife is...long story short...the world ends...resurrection happens...then spend 1000 years in heaven getting to know God ... the new Earth will be like this Earth, only a trillion times better and without suffering. This Earth is just a proto type? I never heard that theory before! I heard a theory once about three worlds. I cant remember it at all really but it was somethin about moving on and deciding where you belong the first one we've been in and this is the second. I cant rememember properly. Anyways, I always fall in love with the clever, witty, sexy evil character. I know just what you mean!I think we are all in the same boat.
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Post by himiko on May 16, 2011 20:14:38 GMT
I do love me some bad guys... I wouldn't say I find them hot, neccessarily, but yeah. Got to chuck in Beatrice, Bernkastel and Lambdadelta from Umineko no naku koro ni- love me some crazy witches, and Bern and Lambda are fast approaching my OTP in all of fandom <3 I really should write some fic about them at some point...
And yeah, my post was kind of pointless and off topic XD Ah, well...
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Post by Arwen17 on May 16, 2011 20:29:48 GMT
This Earth is just a proto type? I never heard that theory before! No, this earth was never meant to go wrong in the first place. Once everything comes to an end. God is going to start over and make a new earth for us which won't go wrong. Not as keen I preferred the brides.I definitely liked the brides. They're in the first Dracula movie that actually gave them a strong role as fighters, not just whores. I love all these Im surprised the Lady Van Tassel isn't in the list Oh she is, I was just trying to remember everyone off the top of my head. We're in a tv really our life is a program, we are characters. Yup. That's the answer. Aliens, they're watching us. With pink dragons. Like big brother.technically the angels are aliens if you want to think of them that way. The universe is huge and god is very creative. you think we're the only beings he ever created? I don't know if they have a telescope aimed at us or anything, but they are aware of what is happening here. But they're not going to call us up or contact us. Our planet is basically in quarantine. We're the only fallen world, they don't need sin spreading to their planets too. We have the "plague". They're not gonna come anywhere near us.
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Post by Mabforever on May 16, 2011 21:49:39 GMT
I do love me some bad guys... I wouldn't say I find them hot, neccessarily, but yeah.I normally do going back to my thread about Mab's looks I said that whether the bad guy is pretty or not I usually get ridiculous biased even when everyone else is like WTF Got to chuck in Beatrice, Bernkastel and Lambdadelta from Umineko no naku koro ni- love me some crazy witches, and Bern and Lambda are fast approaching my OTP in all of fandom <3 I really should write some fic about them at some point...No idea who they are but I'd like to add Bellatrix to the above list. And yeah, my post was kind of pointless and off topic XD Ah, well...The thread has went rogue and evil filled with big bad questions. Not as keen I preferred the brides. I definitely liked the brides. They're in the first Dracula movie that actually gave them a strong role as fighters, not just whores.I've saw Van Helsing I love all these Im surprised the Lady Van Tassel isn't in the list Oh she is, I was just trying to remember everyone off the top of my head.But she's your avatar ;D We're in a tv really our life is a program, we are characters. Yup. That's the answer. Aliens, they're watching us. With pink dragons. Like big brother. technically the angels are aliens if you want to think of them that way. The universe is huge and god is very creative. you think we're the only beings he ever created? I don't know if they have a telescope aimed at us or anything, but they are aware of what is happening here. But they're not going to call us up or contact us. Our planet is basically in quarantine. We're the only fallen world, they don't need sin spreading to their planets too. We have the "plague". They're not gonna come anywhere near us.Why do you have to keep going and complicating things up why couldn't you have replied to my simple sarcastic answer with lol like a normal human being PMSL
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